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2018-02-03 06:46:59 UTC
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Wondering if this will be a proper 8K re-scan from the negatives, or if that will be something eventually passed-on for Criterion to handle, per BL. March/April 2018 for 2001:aso's 50th:

http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/012918-1800

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2018-03-13 08:46:24 UTC
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http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/012918-1800
Amazon US product page reveals the 2001:aso 4K UHD Blu-ray packaging:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B12HNJW/

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kelpzoidzl
2018-03-13 21:19:12 UTC
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I want a Storaro size display to watch it.
s***@hotmail.com
2018-05-18 04:18:19 UTC
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B12HNJW/
Amazon product page zotzed as the 4K 2001:aso Blu-ray has been pushed to October 2, 2018 (per the WB shop):

https://tinyurl.com/yb2u92wd

Nolan interviewed in detail about the film-based workflow on the 2001:aso print screened at Cannes:

Variety: https://tinyurl.com/yd4d3ah7

NY Times: https://tinyurl.com/y9eqp6jw

Nice pic of KK @ Cannes:

https://tinyurl.com/yd9gwbzx

Perhaps the 4K disc has been delayed to include the recent Nolan content?

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Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-05-27 08:44:59 UTC
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Hollywood reacts to the Nolan-supervised print of 2001:aso at the ArcLight:



Is it that the WTF?! panel cannot address the themes of 2001:aso, or that their web audience would just tune out if they "go there"?

Jeffrey Wells commented: "Lemire: “You can interpret [2001] a lot of ways!” HE: Not really. The super-aliens who sent the monolith to earth to awaken the man-apes and turn them into bone-wielding carnivores, give them intelligence and the will to gradually evolve into homo sapiens are the sires of our species — our Gods, our fathers, our evolutionary architects. They planted one of their monoliths under the surface of the moon, knowing that sooner or later humans would fly there and uncover it, which would alert them to our evolutionary progress. At the very end ancient Dave Bowman sees the monolith at the foot of his deathbed and reaches out as a dying Christian would to a crucifix or a dying alcoholic to a fifth of Jack Daniels. And then he’s reborn into a star fetus, etc."

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2018/05/breezy-good-time-charlies/

To the point of Lemire; Wells misses that the the monolith remains an oblique reference to the next stage of an odyssey, and it's not always the same material marker object being planted by aliens as a stepping stone.

- The monolith manifests and vanishes for the neanderthals, leaving them (or, at least Moonwatcher) whacking bones and lashing out at others to intimidate them, as the monolith intimidated him. Kubrick does add a flash cut of the monolith towering above before that occurs. I don't believe, "Now the ape understands that a bone can be an instrument or weapon," was the intended message. Moonwatcher wants to tower over others as the monolith towered over him. It didn't, "give them intelligence," but showed the apes there was something more dominant than them, resulting in a quest for domination (a reckless smashing of bones progressing to an orbital defense satellite dominating the Earth). It wasn't like the monolith taught the apes a new language. That would be implanted intelligence.

- Once mankind dominates space, the monolith is reduced to a directional signal. It is physically present under the surface of the moon, generating a magnetic field until excavated, and—when touched by man—emits a beacon to Jupiter. That is all it needs to be at that stage; an oblique reference to what awaits.

- Once man defeats the highest form of his own technology as a mind/intelligence in the HAL 9000, the monolith appears as a gateway (which Bowman seeks and/or is drawn to). The monolith no longer has evolutionary or hierarchical meaning here beyond something Bowman follows in an EVA. This begins a stage where the monolith is untouchable, and it may no longer be a material object at Jupiter (it does vanish).

- The monolith is certainly not a physical object after Bowman lives out his life in the alien consciousness environment. It may have even been pulled out of his consciousness like the room environment; but from his evolutionary origins in "The dawn of man." While the monolith in that earlier sequence may not have been a similar consciousness implantation, its form may have been decided at that origin stage as something which would embed in the primeval psyche, for man to respond to throughout evolution. It remains an oblique reference to unknowable and unattainable intellect until (Bow)man is absorbed into it, evolving beyond mind and body into something celestial (starchild).

Summarily; just the material presence and function of the monolith alone can be interpreted in many ways.

Regards,

Steve
Don Stockbauer
2018-05-27 12:21:43 UTC
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No one had to teach humans how to kill.
kelpzoidzl
2018-05-28 15:01:00 UTC
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I tend to want to believe Nolan has done it right. The tinkering that can occur may be te blasphemy.
Don Stockbauer
2018-05-29 05:39:26 UTC
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Seems like Clarke would have known that humans did not have to be taught to kill.
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2018-05-29 06:28:51 UTC
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Seems like Clarke would have known that humans did not have to be taught to kill.
"The sentinel" was about the lunar monolith. The novel and script were collaborations with SK. That the monolith gave the neanderthals *intellect as violence* is probably one of the biggest mis-reads on 2001:aso, IMO. The primates are intimidated by a form/intellect greater than them, inciting conquest through available materials (bone-to-satellite).

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Don Stockbauer
2018-05-29 12:27:02 UTC
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Oh well, it’s science fiction, the story need not pass the scientific method.
Don Stockbauer
2018-05-29 17:45:54 UTC
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"The sentinel" was about the lunar monolith. The novel and script were collaborations with SK. That the monolith gave the neanderthals *intellect as violence* is probably one of the biggest mis-reads on 2001:aso, IMO. The primates are intimidated by a form/intellect greater than them, inciting conquest through available materials (bone-to-satellite).
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Regular old plain Jane run-of-the-mill evolution is what got us to where we are, not intimidation by space aliens.
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2018-06-10 04:43:22 UTC
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Oh well, it’s science fiction, the story need not pass the scientific method.
Having recently-watched 2001:aso again, I think it does pass evolutionary science as far as it tracing humanity's origins to Africa; where SK sets "The Dawn of Man." There's not much in those Southwest African deserts to cue a viewer that the monolith's intimidating material perfection has affected the neanderthals. SK couldn't show the primates building structures, for instance, since there's none of the available materials. The sudden development of a language would have been farcical. The shift from the primates living off shrubs to sitting-around with utilitarian bones and eating boar meat is abrupt, but it is a clear visual message.

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Don Stockbauer
2018-06-10 05:38:50 UTC
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I just think it was not necessary for some entity to come in and teach humans how to kill. Humans have always known how to kill. A racoon knows how to kill. A chimpanzee knows how to kill.
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2018-06-10 06:46:55 UTC
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I just think it was not necessary for some entity to come in and teach humans how to kill.
Again, I don't think that was SK's intended message, but most read "The Dawn of Man" sequence that way.

If it was the intended message by SK or ACC, agreed.

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Don Stockbauer
2018-06-10 12:09:23 UTC
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I just think it was not necessary for some entity to come in and teach humans how to kill.
Again, I don't think that was SK's intended message, but most read "The Dawn of Man" sequence that way.

If it was the intended message by SK or ACC, agreed.

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OK, nice opinion, I have my opinion , people with opinions can get into endless discussions. I really don’t have time for an endless discussion right now, but it was nice to communicate with you up to this point.
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2018-06-10 12:11:30 UTC
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I just think it was not necessary for some entity to come in and teach humans how to kill.
Again, I don't think that was SK's intended message, but most read "The Dawn of Man" sequence that way.
If it was the intended message by SK or ACC, agreed.
Steve
Metaphors about metaphor. Something...
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-10 12:51:07 UTC
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PS: Steve, read the book , which is an explanation of the movie . What does Clarke say there? That the early hominids were trained to kill by the aliens so that they could avoid starvation.
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2018-06-10 22:48:11 UTC
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PS: Steve, read the book , which is an explanation of the movie . What does Clarke say there?
I last read ACC's 2001:aso book in high school, but I still have it here. The salient passage for me is, "Now he was master of the world, and he was not quite sure what to do next," which leads into the chapter, "Ascent of man."

ACC goes on to discuss how the use of tools like bones advanced the minds of the primates while helping them defend themselves against predators. It's a small chapter of only two-and-a-half pages, but it fits my take that the monolith's perfect material form intimidated the primates, initiating their journey of conquest over the world.
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That the early hominids were trained to kill by the aliens so that they could avoid starvation.
The ACC novel begins with the primates on the road to extinction due to drought, starvation and animal attacks (e.g. chapter "The leopard"). My takeaway is that the monolith intervened so that the primates could use available materials to conquer their fate.

Regards,

Steve
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-11 12:59:34 UTC
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If you’re into science fiction, then there were monoliths. If you’re not into science fiction, then there weren’t.
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2018-06-11 16:21:36 UTC
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If you’re into science fiction, then there were monoliths. If you’re not into science fiction, then there weren’t.
I'm into science fiction, and am certain there were no monoliths before 1:4:9 ratio slabs began manifesting at Shepperton and Borehamwood studios in the 1960s.

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Don Stockbauer
2018-06-11 21:07:26 UTC
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Whatever turns you on. Like seeing some kind of threat from me when I don’t even know who you are.
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-11 21:09:41 UTC
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Nor do you know who I am.
s***@hotmail.com
2018-06-11 22:38:37 UTC
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Like seeing some kind of threat from me when I don’t even know who you are.
Can you cope with the fact that I do not believe you, Don? My opinion just can't be worth that much to you if I am as mentally ill as you claim me to be. You must have better things to do than fake your own harassment and injustice from some crazy person on an antiquated newsgroup (unless there's significant monetary compensation in play, perhaps).
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Nor do you know who I am.
100% correct; you could be anybody. Therefore, you have nothing to complain about from me. No worries, I never expect honest statements, responses or accountability from someone of unverified identity.

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2018-06-11 22:45:30 UTC
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Like seeing some kind of threat from me when I don’t even know who you are.
Can you cope with the fact that I do not believe you, Don? My opinion just can't be worth that much to you if I am as mentally ill as you claim me to be. You must have better things to do than fake your own harassment and injustice from some crazy person on an antiquated newsgroup (unless there's significant monetary compensation in play, perhaps).
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Nor do you know who I am.
100% correct; you could be anybody. Therefore, you have nothing to complain about from me. No worries, I never expect honest statements, responses or accountability from someone of unverified identity.
Steve
Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
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2018-06-11 23:06:17 UTC
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100% correct; you could be anybody. Therefore, you have nothing to complain about from me. No worries, I never expect honest statements, responses or accountability from someone of unverified identity.
Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
In the context of the Internet's ability to shield a person's identity for the purposes of deceit, both expectations are prudent.

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2018-06-11 23:14:33 UTC
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100% correct; you could be anybody. Therefore, you have nothing to complain about from me. No worries, I never expect honest statements, responses or accountability from someone of unverified identity.
Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
In the context of the Internet's ability to shield a person's identity for the purposes of deceit, both expectations are prudent.
Steve
Pardon, one of the two is not an expectation at all. It is other than expectation. But at least you see them as different. Most are not so discriminating, being for the most part unaware of the third state.
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2018-06-11 23:36:03 UTC
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Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
In the context of the Internet's ability to shield a person's identity for the purposes of deceit, both expectations are prudent.
Pardon, one of the two is not an expectation at all.
Pardon ME, "both *states of expectation* are prudent." A negative state of expectation is not within a scope of expectation. My bad entirely.
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It is other than expectation. But at least you see them as different. Most are not so discriminating, being for the most part unaware of the third state.
Who must be PAYING you and Don to tag-team me on AMK for team Paulo Soares Figueiredo and team FBI? I can't believe you're taking this effort upon yourselves for free. C'mon...it's become so utterly transparent...you could at least spend time adding Kubrick news/discussion as chickenfeed.

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2018-06-12 00:17:46 UTC
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Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
In the context of the Internet's ability to shield a person's identity for the purposes of deceit, both expectations are prudent.
Pardon, one of the two is not an expectation at all.
Pardon ME, "both *states of expectation* are prudent." A negative state of expectation is not within a scope of expectation. My bad entirely.
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It is other than expectation. But at least you see them as different. Most are not so discriminating, being for the most part unaware of the third state.
Who must be PAYING you and Don to tag-team me on AMK for team Paulo Soares Figueiredo and team FBI? I can't believe you're taking this effort upon yourselves for free. C'mon...it's become so utterly transparent...you could at least spend time adding Kubrick news/discussion as chickenfeed.
Steve
But then, you're doing this for free, aren't you? I guess it follows if no one would do it for free, then you're getting paid for it. Who are YOU working for?
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2018-06-12 00:35:05 UTC
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Who must be PAYING you and Don to tag-team me on AMK for team Paulo Soares Figueiredo and team FBI? I can't believe you're taking this effort upon yourselves for free. C'mon...it's become so utterly transparent...you could at least spend time adding Kubrick news/discussion as chickenfeed.
But then, you're doing this for free, aren't you? I guess it follows if no one would do it for free, then you're getting paid for it. Who are YOU working for?
That's a refusal to answer my direct question; which simultaneously acknowledges that any claims you, Don, David Cole, Paulo Soares Figueiredo and/or the FBI have been—and are—so fake, contrived and vindictive that you can only continue to resorting nonsensical accusations.

However, thanks for mastering that consecutive *state* of refusal and acknowledgment. You are here on AMK for the sole purpose of screwing with me, that's affirmed. Keep pushing for that team win and Lord Bullingdon's "satisfaction"...it's only resulted in disaster over the last 18 years. I guess it follows.

Regards,

Steve
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2018-06-12 00:47:12 UTC
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Who must be PAYING you and Don to tag-team me on AMK for team Paulo Soares Figueiredo and team FBI? I can't believe you're taking this effort upon yourselves for free. C'mon...it's become so utterly transparent...you could at least spend time adding Kubrick news/discussion as chickenfeed.
But then, you're doing this for free, aren't you? I guess it follows if no one would do it for free, then you're getting paid for it. Who are YOU working for?
That's a refusal to answer my direct question; which simultaneously acknowledges that any claims you, Don, David Cole, Paulo Soares Figueiredo and/or the FBI have been—and are—so fake, contrived and vindictive that you can only continue to resorting nonsensical accusations.
However, thanks for mastering that consecutive *state* of refusal and acknowledgment. You are here on AMK for the sole purpose of screwing with me, that's affirmed. Keep pushing for that team win and Lord Bullingdon's "satisfaction"...it's only resulted in disaster over the last 18 years. I guess it follows.
Regards,
Steve
You must be a miserable motherfucker if you believe no one would ever want to talk to you. That they would have to be paid to do it. Whatever...
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2018-06-12 00:59:48 UTC
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However, thanks for mastering that consecutive *state* of refusal and acknowledgment. You are here on AMK for the sole purpose of screwing with me, that's affirmed. Keep pushing for that team win and Lord Bullingdon's "satisfaction"...it's only resulted in disaster over the last 18 years. I guess it follows.
You must be a miserable motherfucker if you believe no one would ever want to talk to you. That they would have to be paid to do it. Whatever...
Yep, you're specifically here to screw with me.

Steve
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2018-06-12 01:10:02 UTC
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Ha!
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2018-06-12 01:17:42 UTC
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Ha!
Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
During either *state of expectation* with an anonymous and patently obvious Internet shill, what's usually on my mind is, "Who do you think you are fooling?"

Steve
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2018-06-12 01:21:57 UTC
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Ha!
Is it that you don't expect honest statements? Or that you expect dishonest statements?
During either *state of expectation* with an anonymous and patently obvious Internet shill, what's usually on my mind is, "Who do you think you are fooling?"
Steve
Yourself, evidently...
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2018-06-12 01:32:08 UTC
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During either *state of expectation* with an anonymous and patently obvious Internet shill, what's usually on my mind is, "Who do you think you are fooling?"
Yourself, evidently...
I'm the only person remaining on AMK who's kept it continually running with relevant SK news and discussion *gratis* since 1997.

Discrediting that is, of course, specifically why you are here.

Steve
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2018-06-12 01:39:17 UTC
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During either *state of expectation* with an anonymous and patently obvious Internet shill, what's usually on my mind is, "Who do you think you are fooling?"
Yourself, evidently...
I'm the only person remaining on AMK who's kept it continually running with relevant SK news and discussion *gratis* since 1997.
Discrediting that is, of course, specifically why you are here.
Steve
Funny, I remember at least several years when it was Don, kelp and the Moopster. I called them Cerberus. I don't recall you during that time at all.
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2018-06-12 02:14:39 UTC
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Funny, I remember at least several years when it was Don, kelp and the Moopster. I called them Cerberus. I don't recall you during that time at all.
Again confirming that you are here to discredit my history on AMK, and for the team win with Don, David and Mike, aka "Cerberus." Google remembers my posting back to 2002:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/alt.movies.kubrick/XSEGBmTQBgAJ

I did have a gap in posting from 2006-2009, after Paulo Figueiredo flooded AMK with a run of 600 posts, leaving mostly his enablers squabbling/remaining on AMK without me as his target (your connection to "Cerberus").

I was posting a troll alert and SK news under LB_FAQ during that gap period with a noarchive. Likewise, a number of AMK'ers like myself were using nospam/noarchive in our posts until Google started obscuring e-mail addresses, so a significant amount of AMK posts are not stored on Google.

Like I said in a recent audio recording on AMK, the newsgroup format is basically dead, while Reddit remains thriving with Kubrick discussion; thus your attempts to have a dump on me on AMK only reaffirms why you are here.

Steve
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-12 11:38:13 UTC
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I wonder how the human race would have fared had it never developed language? At least one benefit of that would be that this thread could’ve never been instantiated.
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2018-06-12 19:34:00 UTC
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God dammit Steve!

Brw I have been on AMK since 1996 before you. . Used my real name origially, was rialcmis, yelps, Kelps and kelpzoid. Use to sign dc then stopped as things got nutty here. Stop being so f-ing self centered. Its not about you. Compared to alot of posters on AMK in the past, you were usally mild mannered and knowledgable. When the Brazilian was posting at first I thought you were being heavy handed with him. To menit was much ado about nothing, but a couple of posters went off on katherina...not just the brazilian....and that was disgusting. The Irish idiot from Dublin was worse than the Brazilian and Never saw you targeting him with the FAQ attacks. So It made no sense, why single out tge Beazilian udiot and not target that dubiner who was far nastier? But I didn't/don't sit around thinking about this.


Stop the weirdness.

Don is a Texan, whose dad owned a pecan farm and left it to Don when he passed away. The farm became defunct because it cost too much to keep up. He lived(s) somewhere around that big Lake in Texas with a wife. Not sure current status. . He is Don, not a spy for some idiotic brazilian. Don is into global brain theory and associated 2001 with that--his initial motivation for coming to AMK.

Myriad I don't know or remember much about his background posting but I associate him with the other screen name that used to talk about Pink Floyd---maybe wrong there--at any rate he's not after you. Hes been here quite a while NOT about you.

IT's not about you Steve.

If you werent so self absorbed you would know by his posts who Don is or who I am.
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2018-06-12 19:53:40 UTC
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Correction: my first screen name was rialcnis, not rialcmis.

This is not a career or something to get worked up about.
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2018-06-12 20:02:01 UTC
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I have been a big SK fan since I first saw The Killing on TV, when I was around 10 yrs old. The film made it to mid mornig TV a few months after release.
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2018-06-12 21:58:49 UTC
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Hey myriad, am I thinking of soneone else who use to post about Pink Floyd? And various arcanum? I can't place your original ideation here.

We need to send positive energy toward Steve. He is so tightly wound.

Whatever the case, we all have some kind of obscure comaradery here. Like stubborn

Truth is this forum required a sense of humor and had some incredibly nasty, pinheaded arguing from super righteous people.

Steve said he thought Mm was iggy. IDK. I kind of liked MM and Don's endless babble. AMK IS JUST A HABIT.
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2018-06-12 23:06:06 UTC
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Hey myriad, am I thinking of soneone else who use to post about Pink Floyd? And various arcanum? I can't place your original ideation here.
We need to send positive energy toward Steve. He is so tightly wound.
Whatever the case, we all have some kind of obscure comaradery here. Like stubborn
Truth is this forum required a sense of humor and had some incredibly nasty, pinheaded arguing from super righteous people.
Steve said he thought Mm was iggy. IDK. I kind of liked MM and Don's endless babble. AMK IS JUST A HABIT.
Yes, I also post in ampf, both dating back to 2004. I'm a pink floyd and a Publius Enigma aficionado. Steve is new to me.

I came to amk for various reasons. First?, but not only, to suggest a connection between Stanley (as well as Arthur C. Clarke) and neoteny. Of course, in retrospect, neoteny, as sweeping a theory as it is, is only part of an even bigger picture, and as such, it would naturally be part of Stanley's purview. The man had no boundaries.

I also suggested, in light of the 528491 code in 'Inception' that 237 might also be a frequency. Jury still out on that one.

Who is iggy?
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-12 23:47:48 UTC
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I thought that was you. Iggy was Ichorwhip . Steve never posted very much He wrote a FAQ and got frustrated. Sometime I wonder if he actually reads other's posts that veer in conversational.
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2018-06-13 03:58:47 UTC
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Kelp - Just want to straighten out a few things where you have some wrong info. I am a Texan, live near Victoria Texas on a ranch outside of town , dad didn’t leave me the ranch , I have two brothers and a sister , the ranch is an estate in my mothers name , she is crippled by Alzheimers, she doesnt recognize her children, I do have a wife , don’t live near a big lake but our property does border on the Guadalupe River, and I came to AMK because of interest in 2001 , but over the years I’ve come to realize how extraordinarily improbable the story is, which I suppose is no great realization.
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2018-06-14 00:45:26 UTC
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Don...thx, I was just going by memory. I think I assume you lived near Lake Victoria. My mom diesn't have Alzheimers, but at 95 she can act like it sometimes.

2001, was never intended to be taken literally, by Clarke or SK. Much of it is based in real science, but the ending and the cosmic stuff, is of course not to be taken literally or intended to be an exact statement on reality as it is. It's Art.
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2018-06-13 04:04:27 UTC
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Steve never posted very much
I have over 1,200 of my AMK posts in stored in my newsreader, going back to January, 1999 (when I began using such software). Obviously, I've posted more than that.
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He wrote a FAQ and got frustrated.
It's frustrating watching your favourite newsgroup die because you consistently enabled the person(s) killing-it-off.
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Sometime I wonder if he actually reads other's posts that veer in conversational.
You can invent nonsensical assumptions like you just did there, but it's certainly not true.
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Brw I have been on AMK since 1996 before you.
Okay, you enabled Paulo Figuerieredo and others to push AMK into extinction so you could lay claim to it. Thanks for that, as it's what I presumed to be the case all along. However, the newsgroup format is long-dead. It's quite easy to be a king sitting on a pile of dirt, so be my guest.
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God dammit Steve!
Turning this into a discussion forum about me, in a gang-bang with your mostly-anonymous AMK pals, just served to prove what I've claimed has been going on here with team Paulo and team FBI. You can lie an lie and invent all you want. You can point your fingers at me all you want. You can blame me as the author of my demise all you want. It consistently proves nothing but your agenda.

Regards,

Steve
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-14 00:35:28 UTC
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Steve, it's you who have turned AMK into all about you, with your weird accusations.

I didn't look at AMK for a few days and then log in and see the many new posts, again with your ridiculous accusations.

Can't you just leave these weird comments at the door?

It's not all about you Steve. No one here is out to get you. No one has ill feelings about you and only wish you well.
s***@hotmail.com
2018-06-14 03:22:08 UTC
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Steve, it's you who have turned AMK into all about you, with your weird accusations.
David, you've just claimed squatter's rights on AMK after turning this newsgroup into a discussion forum about me. You've also LIED about me. Those are *you* issues, not *me* issues. So, let me return the favour just this once.

What you are doing right now is completely parallel to what you accomplished with Paulo Soares Figueiredo circa 2005, while he was faking his own death threats and bringing-in newbies/inventing identities for discrediting quotes for his counter-FAQ on me. You never did take-on Paulo for that lunacy, David, and that's all I need to know about your character. Like Don, I simply do not believe you. Cope with it or not. As for Paulo, he is an evidenced online shill; who would even use multiple identities to raise the auction price of an aquarium filter. Pretending to be different persons online is what he did, and perhaps still does.
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Relax, Steve. I deleted the twitter messages. It was just a test. Peace.
L.B.
For example: I have no idea what Paulo is talking about with me and his tweets, nor do I have any idea if he even has a Twitter account. Is another one of his online identities now chasing himself around online as me, while both of you instruct me to relax, whilst inventing this garbage? I have no time for it.
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Can't you just leave these weird comments at the door?
Cole, It's not my problem you were repeatedly booted and chased off alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren so so many times they had to run a FAQ on you to get you out of there. You don't like the FAQ treatment...got it. You're a Kubrick fan and that's fine, but I've *witnessed* you enabling the ruination of this group to get it under your control with Paulo Figueiredo. Your agenda was to bring AMK down to fan-level discussion where any thought which popped into your head, or any Buddhist tract, became "Kubrick content" and discussions above that were from what you call, "super righteous people." You many times post sentence fragments just to get your AMK post count up. That's your AMK track record.

Likewise, it's not my problem if Paulo stated he had relatives in the holocaust and thus a hate-on for the Kubrick estate (due to their relations to Nazi propagandist Viet Harlan) to the point he literally quoted jewish runner Harold Abrahams from 'Chariots of Fire' in his pursuit of Lord Bullingdon's "satisfaction." That's his cultural/religious baggage and agenda, and it's no different than Frederick Raphael slamming SK for not being jewish enough, IMO. The jewish information network needs to stop inventing its own persecution via AMK and/or just grow up.

You perhaps have a year on me on here, but I am the ONLY SK documentarian/critic/fan/researcher/news poster remaining who has the stamina to stomach the lot of you for deliberately running AMK into the ground before it outright died. This is an evidenced and archived history on AMK, not my personal opinion. It was literally graphed-out using Google's own stats.

Once I took a posting reprieve from AMK in 2006-2009, the rest followed. They couldn't deal with Paulo's hundreds of posts about his life and issues, or what got you FAQ'd by and run off alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren. I don't blame them in the slightest. Thankfully, interest in Kubrick online is stronger than ever, and the attempts by many on AMK to defame his memory and estate HAVE FAILED. I'm pleased to have been a part of that deserved outcome.

Here's my position as of 2018/06/13: As I've had my life nearly destroyed by online liars and fakes, I'm no longer on AMK for personal conversations, debates or arguments (and, in fact, I never was) with the current remnants of AMK. You, LB, "Cerberus" and pals can continue having your chats, discussions and e-mails about me and without me. It's better that way, because WE ARE NOT ALIKE.

Unless there's some particular disinformation which I want to correct for the AMK record, or some question I feel like addressing, it's SK news and articles from here out.

Byeeeeeeee!!!!

Steve
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-14 13:34:01 UTC
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kelp of course you and I realize it’s not to be taken literally , what I’m talking about are the people that do take it lirerally and will spend hundreds and hundreds of hours trying to analyze it; it’s like devising some huge complicated puzzle and people spend way too much time on it trying to see meaning in what is just a contrivance. That’s really all I mean. Actually, I’m finding that I shouldn’t really be saying anything because it’s heresy. The movie surely has stunning visuals and a great soundtrack.
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-15 00:06:08 UTC
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@Don for me I'm more interested in SK's thought process and what instigated various choices he made. Obviously the message is not a literal one. I don't pay much attention to interpretations that are treating it as real. I do know where he got the idea for the monolith shape and I know the psychedelic tunnel ending, was influenced by the lsd trips common at that time.
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-15 00:32:43 UTC
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Steve that weird "LB" message you got recently, was probably a troll and old poster on AMK, who had been reading your drama. Had nothing to do with me. Could have been a number of old cranks.

I regret ever asking you what you meant when you said you were "handcuffed" at Ready Payer One. It was natural I was curious and jyst being polite. It never entered my mind that you were having problems like those you related i want nothing to do with it. I didn't want to know.

That LB stuff is ancient history. It meant very little to me at the time---just another usenet crank.

The usenet groups I used to post on got taken over by spammers and/or grandiose people. There were always crazy people on usenet.

No one reads here anymore. You are talking to the wind. Why are you not active on reddit? I only come here out of habit and to see what news you were posting, and see what Don and myriad are saying. Your drama is way too tiresome.
s***@hotmail.com
2018-06-15 05:34:26 UTC
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Post by kelpzoidzl
Relax, Steve. I deleted the twitter messages. It was just a test. Peace.
L.B.
Steve that weird "LB" message you got recently, was probably a troll and old poster on AMK, who had been reading your drama.
I'll correct Cole's conjecture. Firstly, that 2018/05/12 AMK post was from Paulo Figueiredo's e-mail. Secondly, Paulo is an evidenced Internet shill, who played multiple parts online, and thus could partially be posting to AMK as David Cole by VPN using shared access to his Gmail account and nobody would know the difference.
Post by kelpzoidzl
"Steve" whoever he is, is a vindicative, snide little moron. Of course its
a vendetta LB and you should take action against his website.
dc
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.movies.kubrick/XiFtnAoCNrs/9ykyWv8jbv0J
Post by kelpzoidzl
No one here is out to get you. No one has ill feelings about you and only wish you well.
If the above post was from David Sinclair Cole, he is lying.

Regards,

Steve
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-15 02:56:29 UTC
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Kelp, the “tunnel” was influenced by LSD? Do you mean Kubrick went on trips, or do you mean he heard descriptions of them?
m***@yahoo.com
2018-06-15 03:33:42 UTC
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Kelp, the “tunnel” was influenced by LSD? Do you mean Kubrick went on trips, or do you mean he heard descriptions of them?
Stanley didn't need LSD.
Don Stockbauer
2018-06-15 15:53:01 UTC
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anyone who has seen 2001: ASO knows that he didn’t need LSD.
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-15 22:25:27 UTC
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12 yrs ago a brazilian guy, a smart ass, like a bunch of others on AMK, was singled out as a target of the self-ordained AMK police force of one, and began spamming the forum with personal atacks on this Brazilian including doxxing the guy. in reality, it was much ado about nothing. There were far nastier guys already on AMK attacking everyone including Katherina.

The braziian turned out to be an asshole, but there were other assholes equally as bad or worse. Casual reading of AMK was obstructed.

Now, Steve is still obsessed with " LB." and thinks the three other people who read here, 12 ys later, are in a conspiracy with this Brazilian. Get over it Steve. It meant nothing at the time and means nothing now. It certainly has nothing to do with me, don or myriad.


I didn't even know who you were when you were spamming that faq and i'd been reading AMK since 1996. Not into Internet forum politics.

My post you quoted was a response to reading that guy who was saying you were contacting his work or school or something like that to complain about him.

Honestly You were as over the top as pablo or pedro or whatever the fuck his name was.

Why the hell are you obsessed with this? You were like calling the guys work or something?

I don't care what really happened with you and LB, and don't care.

Honestly.
s***@hotmail.com
2018-06-01 21:51:58 UTC
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http://youtu.be/aCZE8ZuCr8U
The TIFF is getting the Nolan-supervised 70mm print of 2001:aso from June 6 to 14, 2018.

https://www.tiff.net/events/2001-a-space-odyssey-70mm/

I'll try and check it out.

Steve
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-04 01:38:37 UTC
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Playing at Cinerama Dome tomorrow for 6 days. Unless I can get my sister to cover for me watching my mom, i can't go.

No way can I leave my mom alone. I wonder if Nolan will prepare a disc with his specs?
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2018-06-08 04:01:51 UTC
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I'll try and check it out.
Caught the 50th anniversary print of 2001:aso this evening. TIFF had it in cinema 1, which was about half full with a mostly respectful audience.

The good: sound and stereo separation are much improved. I may have mentioned before that my prior screenings of 2001:aso in 70mm felt like they were not in stereo; aside from the music. Well, that's all changed for the better. The six-track mix has thunderous bass, piercing high-end, dynamic stereo and clear use of the surround speaker (most notable in "The dawn of man" and the "blue ladies cashmere sweater" P.A. address on the space station).

The bad (verging on ugly): Reports of the Nolan print having a cyan cast were correct. ALL the stars in many of the space shots are cyan! Nolan used the original timing light notes from 1968, but the film elements have had a colour shift over these 50 years. Some shots are peerless (e.g., much of SK's handheld footage), but those showed-up many other shots with faint but visible mold spots dancing right in the middle of the screen, some vertical streaks and many large dust specks.

There are a number of highly visible and nasty splices, which other viewers had reported, so it wasn't our projection print. Hopefully someone will scan the best available film elements into 8K or 12K for a definitive restoration. It will be interesting to see what the 4K UHD BD ends-up looking like in October.

Overall, most of the Nolan "unrestored" version looks good but sounds much better than other 70mm prints I've seen. The stargate and cosmic birth sequences have superb, saturated colour and are practically spotless. However, the cyan shift and some jarring splices take the whole experience down a notch.

ticket: https://tinyurl.com/ycngumsg

Regards,

Steve
kelpzoidzl
2018-06-08 16:49:21 UTC
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I'd like to see what Nolan says about the criticized "cyan shift" and what he says about any degradation of the original he had to work with.
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2018-06-20 06:13:14 UTC
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The good: sound and stereo separation are much improved. I may have mentioned before that my prior screenings of 2001:aso in 70mm felt like they were not in stereo; aside from the music.
Pre-Cannes interview with Christopher Nolan, where he expresses the same astonishment at finally hearing 2001:aso in its proper six-track mix.

https://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/the-treatment/christopher-nolan-2001-a-space-odyssey201d

or

https://podcast-download.kcrw.com/kcrw/audio/podcast/etc/tt/KCRW-the_treatment-christopher_nolan_2001_a_space_odyssey201d-180516.mp3

Regards,

Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-06-22 03:18:15 UTC
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October 30, 2018 now the revised date for the 4K UHD of 2001:aso. Warner's press release mentions a 4K *remaster* from the camera negative, so it's not the Nolan *unrestored* print from the master I.P. (although they seem to have used it as a point of reference). Good news is that the Nolan-supervised 6-track sound mix is on the disc along with the 5.1 mix, which is why the disc release was pushed ahead.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/954057-2001-a-space-odyssey-50th-anniversary-blu-ray-details

The 4K UHD BD release's Amazon page has returned:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B12HNJW/

FYI, KK is currently over at the SK Reddit discussing Cannes events.

Regards,

Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-10-25 06:20:11 UTC
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October 30, 2018 now the revised date for the 4K UHD of 2001:aso.
MediaPlay News has pushed the 2001:aso Blu-ray release to November 20, 2018:

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/2001-a-space-odyssey-to-debut-on-4k-ultra-hd-from-warner/

Amazon still shows a ship date of October 30, so this may be a manufacturing delay; explaining why there have been no Blu-ray reviews a week away from street date.

Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-10-30 00:32:27 UTC
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Review copies and some pre-orders of the 2001:aso 4K UHD BD have been received, and the initial reviews of the image transfer are extremely favourable (it's not a transfer of an "unrestored" Nolan print). The street date for retailers still remains pushed to November 20, 2018.

Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-10-30 05:14:17 UTC
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Review copies and some pre-orders of the 2001:aso 4K UHD BD have been received <snip>
The standard Blu-ray disc in the 4K package is the 2018 remaster, and is also available separately on November 20:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DXSK8L2

There are no new extras on the second Blu-ray disc in both 4K and standard editions.

Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-10-31 07:53:08 UTC
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The remastered 2-disc 2001:aso Blu-ray was stocked and on sale at Best Buy on October 30. Didn't see any of the 4K 3-disc sets.

pic: https://bit.ly/2qjQjQz

Steve
s***@hotmail.com
2018-11-05 10:14:26 UTC
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Review copies and some pre-orders of the 2001:aso 4K UHD BD have been received <snip>
Favourable trade review for the 4K remaster:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2018/10/30/2001-a-space-odyssey-4k-blu-ray-review-a-monolithic-achievement/#573b71982fe8

Steve
Don Stockbauer
2018-11-06 11:30:33 UTC
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Humans didn't need to be taught how to kill.
s***@hotmail.com
2018-11-14 13:57:21 UTC
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Review copies and some pre-orders of the 2001:aso 4K UHD BD have been received <snip>
I have the 4K UHDBD of 2001:aso. Not having a 4K setup or player, I can only comment on the standard Blu-ray (which is down-sampled to 1080p from the 2018 4K remaster) and the packaging.

The 4K Blu-ray press release mentioned that Warner's 4K UHDBD restoration was built on the foundation on Nolan's 2018 "unrestored" print, and it shows. The colour grade is, like the 2018 70mm print I saw at the TIFF and IMAX Cinesphere, heavily shifted into the cyan range. Cyan stars, AGAIN! So close and yet so far...very frustrating. The detail is better and noticeably improved from the 2007 Blu-ray release of 2001:aso, and the inclusion of the 1968 6-track sound mix is a plus.

Below are screen captures from the Blu-ray from 2007 and the standard 2018 Blu-ray from the 4K set, revealing the cyan shift. I've taken colour-blindness tests, so I knew it wasn't me when I was complaining about this back in June.

JPEG: https://tinyurl.com/y7sx5zxy

PDF: https://tinyurl.com/ybq2xd34

The 3-disc set comes in a quality metallic red hard slipcase with debossing and a pouch containing a booklet with production photos and stills, as well as four mini-replica lobby cards.

Regards,

Steve

s***@hotmail.com
2018-04-28 05:35:52 UTC
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Another Wells article on the 4K UHD BD release of 2001:aso, stemming from his interview with Vitali:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2018/04/nolans-yellowish-teal-tinted-2001-obviously-sucks/

Steve
kelpzoidzl
2018-04-28 18:50:27 UTC
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This is bizarre. Hard to believe Nolan would screw this up. The article is confusing. Have they already fuxed the problem?
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2018-10-15 11:15:30 UTC
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Wondering if this will be a proper 8K re-scan from the negatives, or if that will be something eventually passed-on for Criterion to handle, per BL.
Fotokem in Burbank, CA (which produced Nolan's "unrestored" prints of 2001:aso) scanned the original negative elements on an 11K IMAGICA scanner, which handles 65mm and outputs 8K frame records. Nolan had used this scanner for "Interstellar" and "Dunkirk." For the upcoming UHD BD, the 8K files of 2001:aso were downsampled to 4K for the restoration process.

So, at least there *is* an 8K scan of 2001:aso on file at Fotokem or WB.

Steve
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