Discussion:
Padraig L. Henry aka Pro-Arab Terrorist & Jew-Hater
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Riain Y. Barton
2004-04-19 00:12:34 UTC
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He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.

He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org

The only thing the site is all about anti-war, except when it comes to
killing Jews, Americans, and of course the British.

Also, the site is owned and operated by (Richard Boyd Barrett)
Socialist Workers Party of Ireland. Yes, a left over for those who
cannot get enough of balming capitalism on all of the ills of society,
even when its been proven time and time again it has been any form of
communism that has taken aways cilil liberties and human rights, and
replaced the "wealthy capitalist" with corrupt wealthy party members!

The Irish Anti-War site is a disgrace to Irish people and to Ireland
and I personally as an Irish citizen are ashamed that Padraig is also
Irish!

Sincerely,
Riain Y. Barton
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fight-Anti-Semitism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ireland-Israel-Solidarity
Tobasco
2004-04-19 02:36:10 UTC
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Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
In a brief scan of the first page of forum posts on the referenced site I've
found three posts by Padraig. None have been responded to; by even his own
peers.

Now >that's< entertainment.

"The problems we find ourselves enmeshed in are seldom, if ever, solved by
the same kind of thinking that led to problem."

A. Einstein
Wordsmith
2004-04-19 05:43:13 UTC
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Post by Tobasco
Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
In a brief scan of the first page of forum posts on the referenced site I've
found three posts by Padraig. None have been responded to; by even his own
peers.
Naaaaaaaaaaah! Paddy's peerless!

W :)
Post by Tobasco
Now >that's< entertainment.
"The problems we find ourselves enmeshed in are seldom, if ever, solved by
the same kind of thinking that led to problem."
A. Einstein
Miles Long
2004-04-19 06:16:04 UTC
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X-No-Archive: Yes
Post by Riain Y. Barton
and I personally as an Irish citizen are ashamed that Padraig is also
Irish!
You sound like a Dixie Chick. ;-)
Brian Siano
2004-04-19 15:55:01 UTC
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Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
I took a quick look, and while I didn't read every post Padraig's made,
I didn't see anything that could be reasonably construed as "anti-Jewish."

(Yes, there are people who equate "criticism of the State of Israel"
with anti-Semitism, but that's not a reasonable position. One might as
well say that criticism of America is "anti-American.")

There's a lot I dislike about Padraig, but calling him an anti-Semite is
a revolting smear that shouldn't be tolerated on this newsgroup.
Faisal A. Qureshi
2004-04-20 00:25:25 UTC
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Post by Brian Siano
Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
I took a quick look, and while I didn't read every post Padraig's made,
I didn't see anything that could be reasonably construed as "anti-Jewish."
(Yes, there are people who equate "criticism of the State of Israel"
with anti-Semitism, but that's not a reasonable position. One might as
well say that criticism of America is "anti-American.")
There's a lot I dislike about Padraig, but calling him an anti-Semite is
a revolting smear that shouldn't be tolerated on this newsgroup.
I have to second Brian's post. The original poster reminds me of the
Martin Cannon-Tony Frewin smear of a few years ago.

FAQ
Padraig L Henry
2004-04-25 00:40:58 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0400, Brian Siano
Post by Brian Siano
Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
I took a quick look, and while I didn't read every post Padraig's made,
I didn't see anything that could be reasonably construed as "anti-Jewish."
(Yes, there are people who equate "criticism of the State of Israel"
with anti-Semitism, but that's not a reasonable position. One might as
well say that criticism of America is "anti-American.")
There's a lot I dislike about Padraig,
And what would that be, Brian?
Post by Brian Siano
but calling him an anti-Semite is
a revolting smear that shouldn't be tolerated on this newsgroup.
A Warning to Those Who Dare to Criticize Israel in the Land of Free
Speech

Another Case Study: Mary Robinson

By ROBERT FISK

04/24/04 "The Independent" -- Behold Mary Robinson, former president
of Ireland, former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, would-be
graduation commencement speaker at Emory University in the United
States. She has made a big mistake. She dared to criticise Israel. She
suggested--horror of horrors--that "the root cause of the Arab-Israeli
conflict is the occupation". Now whoah there a moment, Mary!
"Occupation"? Isn't that a little bit anti-Israeli?

Are you really suggesting that the military occupation of the West
Bank and Gaza Strip by Israel, its use of extrajudicial executions
against Palestinian gunmen, the Israeli gunning down of schoolboy
stone-throwers, the wholesale theft of Arab land to build homes for
Jews, is in some way wrong?

Maybe I misheard you. Sure I did. Because your response to these
scurrilous libels, to these slurs upon your right to free speech, to
these slanderous attacks on your integrity, was a pussy-cat's whimper.
You were "very hurt and dismayed". It is, you told The Irish Times,
"distressing that allegations are being made that are completely
unfounded".

You should have threatened your accusers with legal action. When I
warn those who claim in their vicious postcards that my mother was
Eichmann's daughter that they will receive a solicitor's letter--Peggy
Fisk was in the RAF in the Second World War, but no matter--they fall
silent at once.

But no, you are "hurt". You are "dismayed". And you allow Professor
Kenneth Stein of Emory University to announce that he is "troubled by
the apparent absence of due diligence on the part of decision makers
who invited her [Mary Robinson] to speak". I love the "due diligence"
bit. But seriously, how can you allow this twisted version of your
integrity to go unpunished?

Dismayed. Ah, Mary, you poor diddums.

I tried to check the spelling of "diddums" in Webster's, America's
inspiring, foremost dictionary. No luck. But then, what's the point
when Webster's Third New International Dictionary defines
"anti-Semitism" as "opposition to Zionism: sympathy with opponents of
the state of Israel".

Come again? If you or I suggest--or, indeed, if poor wee Mary
suggests--that the Palestinians are getting a raw deal under Israeli
occupation, then we are "anti-Semitic". It is only fair, of course, to
quote the pitiful response of the Webster's official publicist, Mr
Arthur Bicknell, who was asked to account for this grotesque
definition.

"Our job," he responded, "is to accurately reflect English as it is
actually being used. We don't make judgement calls; we're not
political." Even more hysterically funny and revolting, he says that
the dictionary's editors tabulate "citational evidence" about
anti-Semitism published in "carefully written prose-like books and
magazines". Preposterous as it is, this Janus-like remark is worthy of
the hollowest of laughs.

Even the Malaprops of American English are now on their knees to those
who will censor critics of Israel's Middle East policy off the air.

And I mean "off the air". I've just received a justifiably outraged
note from Bathsheba Ratskoff, a producer and editor at the American
Media Education Foundation (MEF), who says that their new documentary
on "the shutting-down of debate around the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict"--in reality a film about Israel's public relations outfits
in America--has been targeted by the "Jewish Action (sic) Task Force".
The movie Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land was to be shown at
the Boston Museum of Fine Arts.

So what happened? The "JAT" demanded an apology to the Jewish
community and a "pledge (for) greater sensitivity (sic) when tackling
Israel and the Middle East conflict in the future". JAT members "may
want to consider threatening to cancel their memberships and to
withhold contributions".

In due course, a certain Susan Longhenry of the Museum of Fine Arts
wrote a creepy letter to Sut Jhally of the MEF, referring to the
concerns of "many members of the Boston community"--otherwise, of
course, unidentified--suggesting a rescheduled screening (because the
original screening would have fallen on the Jewish Sabbath) and a
discussion that would have allowed critics to condemn the film. The
letter ended--and here I urge you to learn the weasel words of
power--that "we have gone to great lengths to avoid cancelling
altogether screenings of this film; however, if you are not able to
support the revised approach, then I'm afraid we'll have no choice but
to do just that".

Does Ms Longhenry want to be a mouse? Or does she want to have the
verb "to longhenry" appear in Webster's? Or at least in the Oxford?
Fear not, Ms Longhenry's boss overrode her pusillanimous letter. For
the moment, at least.

But where does this end? Last Sunday, I was invited to talk on Irish
television's TV3 lunchtime programme on Iraq and President Bush's
support for Sharon's new wall on the West Bank. Towards the end of the
programme, Tom Cooney, a law lecturer at University College, Dublin,
suddenly claimed that I had called an Israeli army unit a "rabble"
(absolutely correct--they are) and that I reported they had committed
a massacre in Jenin in 2002.

I did not say they committed a massacre. But I should have. A
subsequent investigation showed that Israeli troops had knowingly shot
down innocent civilians, killed a female nurse and driven a vehicle
over a paraplegic in a wheelchair. "Blood libel!" Cooney screamed. TV3
immediately--and correctly--dissociated themselves from this libel.
Again, I noted the involvement of an eminent university--UCD is one of
the finest academic institutions in Ireland and I can only hope that
Cooney exercises a greater academic discipline with his young students
than he did on TV3--in this slander. And of course, I got the message.
Shut up. Don't criticise Israel.

So let me end on a positive note. Just as Bathsheba is a Jewish
American, British Jews are also prominent in an organisation called
Deir Yassin Remembered, which commemorates the massacre of Arab
Palestinians by Jewish militiamen outside Jerusalem in 1948. This
year, they remembered the Arab victims of that massacre--9 April--on
the same day that Christians commemorated Good Friday.

The day also marked the fourth day of the eight-day Jewish Passover.
It also fell on the anniversary of the 1945 execution by the Nazis of
Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer at Flossenburg concentration camp. Jewish
liberation 3,000 years ago, the death of a Palestinian Jew 2,000 years
ago, the death of a German Christian 59 years ago and the massacre of
more than 100 Palestinian men, women and children 56 years ago. Alas,
Deir Yassin Remembered does not receive the publicity it merits.

Webster's dictionary would meretriciously brand its supporters
"anti-Semitic", and "many members of the Boston community" would no
doubt object. "Blood libel," UCD's eminent law lecturer would scream.
We must wait to hear what UCD thinks. But let us not be "hurt" or
"dismayed". Let's just keep on telling it how it is. Isn't that what
American journalism school was meant to teach us?

Copyright: The Independent. UK.
Brian Siano
2004-04-25 02:45:06 UTC
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Post by Padraig L Henry
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0400, Brian Siano
Post by Brian Siano
Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
I took a quick look, and while I didn't read every post Padraig's made,
I didn't see anything that could be reasonably construed as "anti-Jewish."
(Yes, there are people who equate "criticism of the State of Israel"
with anti-Semitism, but that's not a reasonable position. One might as
well say that criticism of America is "anti-American.")
There's a lot I dislike about Padraig,
And what would that be, Brian?
Mostly, it's yor breath.


I mean, don't you ever brush_ your fucking _teeth_?
Mike Jackson
2004-04-25 03:05:19 UTC
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Post by Brian Siano
Post by Padraig L Henry
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0400, Brian Siano
Post by Brian Siano
Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
I took a quick look, and while I didn't read every post Padraig's made,
I didn't see anything that could be reasonably construed as "anti-Jewish."
(Yes, there are people who equate "criticism of the State of Israel"
with anti-Semitism, but that's not a reasonable position. One might as
well say that criticism of America is "anti-American.")
There's a lot I dislike about Padraig,
And what would that be, Brian?
Mostly, it's yor breath.
I mean, don't you ever brush_ your fucking _teeth_?
You know, I think we are like only 20 or 30 more posts away from that point
where he's posted so much about his persecution here that he can petition
the NG be changed to alt.ego.padraig
--
"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman.
Believing what he read made him mad."
-- George Bernard Shaw
Matthew
2004-04-25 06:03:31 UTC
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Post by Mike Jackson
Post by Brian Siano
Post by Padraig L Henry
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0400, Brian Siano
Post by Brian Siano
Post by Riain Y. Barton
He is very good at posting article after article from Arab newspapers
or articles that are Pro-Arab and/or Anti-Jewish.
He has hundreds of hate messages on a so-called "anti-war" site;
http://irishantiwar.org
I took a quick look, and while I didn't read every post Padraig's made,
I didn't see anything that could be reasonably construed as "anti-Jewish."
(Yes, there are people who equate "criticism of the State of Israel"
with anti-Semitism, but that's not a reasonable position. One might as
well say that criticism of America is "anti-American.")
There's a lot I dislike about Padraig,
And what would that be, Brian?
Mostly, it's yor breath.
I mean, don't you ever brush_ your fucking _teeth_?
You know, I think we are like only 20 or 30 more posts away from that point
where he's posted so much about his persecution here that he can petition
the NG be changed to alt.ego.padraig
--
"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman.
Believing what he read made him mad."
-- George Bernard Shaw
I won't have that in my court. Most of you seem to have forgotten that I
claimed this small piece of shitty virtual real estate as my own many months
back and have since been Lord and Ruler. Though I live in a cave, primarily,
afraid of all the bombs that will be dropping soon. Suggest you all do the
same.

Matthew
Mike Jackson
2004-04-25 06:20:38 UTC
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Post by Matthew
Post by Mike Jackson
Post by Brian Siano
Post by Padraig L Henry
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0400, Brian Siano
Post by Brian Siano
There's a lot I dislike about Padraig,
And what would that be, Brian?
Mostly, it's yor breath.
I mean, don't you ever brush_ your fucking _teeth_?
You know, I think we are like only 20 or 30 more posts away from that point
where he's posted so much about his persecution here that he can petition the
NG be changed to alt.ego.padraig
I won't have that in my court. Most of you seem to have forgotten that I
claimed this small piece of shitty virtual real estate as my own many months
back and have since been Lord and Ruler.
Have you taken over that "King of All Media" thing from Howard Stern too?
Post by Matthew
Though I live in a cave, primarily, afraid of all the bombs that will be
dropping soon. Suggest you all do the same.
Matthew
Well, we must not allow a mind shaft gap.
--
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four.
Unless there are three other people."
-- Orson Welles
Your Pal Brian
2004-04-20 19:32:22 UTC
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Post by Riain Y. Barton
Yes, a left over for those who
cannot get enough of balming capitalism on all of the ills of society,
even when its been proven time and time again it has been any form of
communism that has taken aways cilil liberties and human rights, and
replaced the "wealthy capitalist" with corrupt wealthy party members!
I thought that was the whole point!

Brian
Padraig L Henry
2004-04-21 00:13:07 UTC
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Post by Riain Y. Barton
Sincerely,
Riain Y. Barton
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fight-Anti-Semitism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ireland-Israel-Solidarity
The above internet hate-stalking cyphur, also using the pseudonyms "W
Saranac", "Irish Wolfhound", "Mary" , among a number of others, has
already been reported to the Irish police for making a series of
threatening and abusive phone calls and offensive E-mails to a number
of my colleagues, associates and friends.

Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... even
the likes of TOBS, who ought to know better, but then, Buddhism to a
reactionary philistine like him has nothing whatever to do with
Buddhism, much less with any reasonable attempt to understand the
philosophical and cultural foundations of modernism in the arts ... A
predictable lot ...
Tobasco
2004-04-21 01:15:18 UTC
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"Padraig L Henry"
. even
Post by Padraig L Henry
the likes of TOBS, who ought to know better, but then, Buddhism to a
reactionary philistine like him has nothing whatever to do with
Buddhism, much less with any reasonable attempt to understand the
philosophical and cultural foundations of modernism in the arts ... A
predictable lot ...
Who is doing the reacting here Padraig? Would you care to clarify this
rather muddled ad hominem? My jibe was quite clear. Of the three sampled
threads, there were no responses whatsoever to your posts on the ref'd site.

hmmmm the "philosophical and cultural foundations of modernism", you're not
giving a test this week are you? Is this title of your course? I'm not
enrolled you see...

I find it rather odd that you'd attack an aspect of my life that you have
absolutely no knowledge of (in any substantated manner). Quite irrational,
in fact. Some might consider it compensatory for some deeper suffering...
Padraig L Henry
2004-04-21 02:39:53 UTC
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Post by Tobasco
"Padraig L Henry"
. even
Post by Padraig L Henry
the likes of TOBS, who ought to know better, but then, Buddhism to a
reactionary philistine like him has nothing whatever to do with
Buddhism, much less with any reasonable attempt to understand the
philosophical and cultural foundations of modernism in the arts ... A
predictable lot ...
Who is doing the reacting here Padraig? Would you care to clarify this
rather muddled ad hominem?
It is no ad hominem, much less a muddled one; your anachronistic
attempt - in the Kupka, Klein, Kubrick thread - to pathetically
deflect from a serious discussion about the art-history cultural basis
for Kubrick's starchild and stargate 2001 sequences into some
pseudo-Buddhist dogma and elitist claptrap was telling. You really
need to do some research about the unprecedented cultural ferment of
Paris circa 1880-1914 ...
Post by Tobasco
My jibe was quite clear. Of the three sampled
threads, there were no responses whatsoever to your posts on the ref'd site.
Better take another look, then.
Post by Tobasco
I find it rather odd that you'd attack an aspect of my life that you have
absolutely no knowledge of (in any substantated manner). Quite irrational,
in fact. Some might consider it compensatory for some deeper suffering...
No, it is that you choose to parade your own
[religious/cultural/elitist] pathology as a substitute for meaningful
discussion about Kubrick's underlying art-cultural influences ...
Tobasco
2004-04-21 04:09:47 UTC
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"Padraig L Henry" wrote > >
Post by Padraig L Henry
It is no ad hominem, much less a muddled one; your anachronistic
attempt - in the Kupka, Klein, Kubrick thread - to pathetically
deflect from a serious discussion about the art-history cultural basis
for Kubrick's starchild and stargate 2001 sequences into some
pseudo-Buddhist dogma and elitist claptrap was telling.
But you see Padraig, it was no attempt to disrupt anything. The (uncited)
commentor described the image as integrating a Buddhist theme - I contend
that the symbology of that image has little, if anything, to do with
Buddhist practice or philosophy - regardless of what Kupka or the commentor
may have thought. I provided an excerpt from the Heart Sutra as a sample of
Buddhist perspective on birth, death and being to support the point.
There was considerable interest in Eastern thought throughout Europe from
the mid-19th thru the mid-20th centuries - unfortunately the non-dualistic
nature of Buddhist philosophy proved (and continues to prove), so alien to
western paradigmatic dualisms that misinterpretations and misreads are
common currency when wading thru (!) even the more erudite academic
treatments of Buddhist thought by western thinkers.
While Mahayana scholar D.T. Suzuki considered the introduction of Zen to the
West to be a worthwhile endeavor (esp aesthetic approaches), he found little
of Buddhism that Euro-Americans would find much value in nor even readily
comprehend.
---at even the highest levels---

ou really
Post by Padraig L Henry
need to do some research about the unprecedented cultural ferment of
Paris circa 1880-1914 ...
Sigh, no Padraig, I need to continue to research 12th-14th century Japanese
cultural dynamics and aesthetics. That -and the cultivation and propagation
of native American azaleas.
Post by Padraig L Henry
Post by Tobasco
I find it rather odd that you'd attack an aspect of my life that you have
absolutely no knowledge of (in any substantated manner). Quite irrational,
in fact. Some might consider it compensatory for some deeper
suffering...
Post by Padraig L Henry
No, it is that you choose to parade your own
[religious/cultural/elitist] pathology as a substitute for meaningful
discussion about Kubrick's underlying art-cultural influences ...
See above for the underlying elements of the 'parading' of alleged pathology
(if you care to interpret Mahayana Buddhism as pathology - so be it). As
for 'elitist' ---- sweet Jaysus Padraig - you're really not kidding are you?
You actually don't realize...
Tobasco
2004-04-21 01:37:40 UTC
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Perhaps Padraig would deign to share his views on Dogen's Shobogenzo with
us.

The Blue Cliff Record?

D. T. Suzuki's translation and commentary of/on The Diamond Sutra?

Masao Abe's recent writings on Mahayana Buddhism and Social
Activism/Engagement?


...sitting quietly, doing nothing.
Mike Jackson
2004-04-21 02:00:37 UTC
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Post by Tobasco
Perhaps Padraig would deign to share his views on Dogen's Shobogenzo with
us.
The Blue Cliff Record?
D. T. Suzuki's translation and commentary of/on The Diamond Sutra?
Masao Abe's recent writings on Mahayana Buddhism and Social
Activism/Engagement?
...sitting quietly, doing nothing.
Now is Buddha with that big-ass gut related to Santa Claus or what?

You know what I really need to make the house trailer here complete is a
black velvet painting of Jesus and God and Mohammed and Buddha all playing
cards. I think Santa Claus should be the one bringing them the drinks.
--
"My favorite thing about the Internet is that you get to go into the private
world of real creeps without having to smell them."
-- Penn Jillette
Tobasco
2004-04-21 03:18:15 UTC
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If you see the Buddha walking down the street -- kill him.

Zen koan
Magic7Ball
2004-04-21 01:55:33 UTC
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Post by Padraig L Henry
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick, and every
peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Mike Jackson
2004-04-21 02:09:14 UTC
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Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick, and every
peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Fat chance.

What I wouldn't give to know what Padraig looks like! I'm picturing about
250 pounds of chewed bubble gum myself.
--
"After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say 'I
want to see the manager.' "
-- William S. Burroughs
Padraig L Henry
2004-04-21 02:47:44 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:55:33 GMT, "Magic7Ball"
Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick,
They owe me one hell of a lot more than some sickly Hollywood
confectionery ...
Post by Magic7Ball
and every
peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
Brian Siano
2004-04-21 16:17:58 UTC
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Post by Padraig L Henry
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
I, as an American, genuinely condemn America's past and current foreign
policies.

Happy?
Sam Rouse
2004-04-21 22:38:11 UTC
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Post by Brian Siano
Post by Padraig L Henry
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
I, as an American, genuinely condemn America's past and current foreign
policies.
Same here.
Post by Brian Siano
Happy?
I don't think Padraig will be happy until we foment enough unrest that the
National Guard brings out some tanks that we can stand in front of. It seems to
me that Dubya's in the best position to foment that much unrest - maybe we
should vote for him, after all?
Wordsmith
2004-04-22 00:03:18 UTC
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Post by Brian Siano
Post by Padraig L Henry
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
I, as an American, genuinely condemn America's past and current foreign
policies.
Happy?
Doubt he'll be satisfied. You must rage, ramble and screech as loudly
as him. Concision is suspect.

Lessismoresmith :(
JW Moore
2004-04-21 18:05:25 UTC
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Post by Padraig L Henry
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:55:33 GMT, "Magic7Ball"
Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick,
They owe me one hell of a lot more than some sickly Hollywood
confectionery ...
Post by Magic7Ball
and every
peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
Y'know Padraig it would be easier to take your bilious rantings seriously if they were in
any way coherent. As is they are just laughable, in a self-caricature kind of way. I can
see your fondness for Aristide -- he would fit right in with the IRA.

~~Jack
Padraig L Henry
2004-04-22 00:13:05 UTC
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Post by JW Moore
Post by Padraig L Henry
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:55:33 GMT, "Magic7Ball"
Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick,
They owe me one hell of a lot more than some sickly Hollywood
confectionery ...
Post by Magic7Ball
and every
peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
Y'know Padraig it would be easier to take your bilious rantings seriously if they were in
any way coherent. As is they are just laughable, in a self-caricature kind of way. I can
see your fondness for Aristide -- he would fit right in with the IRA.
~~Jack
The fact that you attempt to equate the democratically-elected leader
of Haiti [even Clinton welcomed his election] with a terrorist
organisation like the Provisional IRA (there is no organisation called
the "IRA", numbnut, but many offshoots of the P-IRA: Offical IRA, Real
IRA [responsible for the Omagh bombing]. INLA etc] draws our attention
once again to your own incoherence and breathtaking geopolitical
ignorance. It is the US-sponsored thugs who ousted Aristide who can be
properly compared with the Provos, prior to the latter's cessation of
violence 8 years ago. The "like, real horrorshow" here is that it is
your own government who is engaging in terrorism in Haiti, still
ongoing ...

Padraig
"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he
could only do a little": Edmund Burke


The following was written just prior to the US-planned coup:

Haiti - Insurrection in the Making

by Yifat Susskind

February 25, 2004 (A MADRE Backgrounder) A political crisis that has
been brewing in Haiti since 2000 exploded during the second week of
February 2004. Members of an armed movement seeking to overthrow
Haiti's President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, went on a rampage in a
dozen Haitian towns, killing more than 60 people. The towns remain
under siege by criminal gangs led by former paramilitary members.

There is great concern for the families in these areas, since the
armed vigilantes have cut road and telephone access to communities,
emptied prisons and blocked convoys of food aid from reaching
impoverished areas.

The blockade of food aid is particularly worrisome since, according to
the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, nearly half of all Haitians
lack access to even minimum food requirements. Hospitals, schools,
police stations and other government buildings have been burned and
looted. Meanwhile, the US Department of Homeland Security has begun
preparations for the internment of up to 50,000 Haitian refugees at
the US naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, signaling that the US
expects a much greater escalation of violence in Haiti.

What is the Political Backdrop to the Conflict? The crisis dates back
to a political stalemate stemming from a contested election. In
2000-the same year that George Bush stole the US presidency-Haiti held
elections for 7,500 positions nationwide. Election observers contested
the winners of seven senate seats.

President Aristide balked at first, but eventually yielded and the
seven senators resigned. Members of Haiti's elite, long hostile to
Aristide's progressive economic agenda, saw the controversy as an
opportunity to derail his government.

Since 2001, human rights activists and humanitarian workers in Haiti
have documented numerous cases of opposition vigilantes killing
government officials and bystanders in attacks on the state power
station, health clinics, police stations and government vehicles. The
US government did not condemn any of these killings.

In January 2004, the opposition escalated its protests. At some
demonstrations, government supporters, who represent Haiti's poorest
sectors, attacked opposition activists. Only then did US Secretary of
State Powell issue a one-sided condemnation of 'militant Aristide
supporters.'

In a country as poor as Haiti, control over the institutions of the
state is one of the only sources of wealth, making national politics
an arena of violent competition. Similarly, in an environment of 70
percent unemployment, the prospect of long-term work as a paramilitary
fighter leads many young men to join these forces.

Who is the Opposition? Like the so-called opposition to the Chavez
government of Venezuela, Haiti's opposition represents only a small
minority (8 percent of the population according to a 2000 poll). With
no chance of winning through democratic elections, they rely instead
on armed violence to foment a political crisis that will lead to the
fall of the government. Using their international business
connections, especially ties to the corporate media, the opposition
has manufactured an image of itself as the true champion of democracy
in Haiti.

The gangs that have placed thousands of Haitians under siege are
reportedly armed with US-made M-16s, recently sent by the US to the
government of the Dominican Republic [from where the March 2004 coup
was launched]..

The gangs are directly linked to two groups financed by the Bush
Administration: the right-wing Convergence for Democracy and the
pro-business Group of 184.

The Convergence is a coalition of about two dozen groups, ranging from
neo-Duvalierists (named for the Duvaliers' dictatorship that ruled
Haiti from 1957-1986) to former Aristide supporters. These groups have
little in common except their desire to see Aristide overthrown.

According to the Council on Hemispheric Affairs, the opposition's
'only policy goal seems to be reconstituting the army and the
implementation of rigorous Structural Adjustment Programs.'

The Convergence is led by former FRAPH paramilitary leaders (including
Louis Chamblain, Guy Phillipe and Jean Pierre Baptiste) who carried
out the bloody 1991 coup d'etat, in which the CIA-trained and -funded
FRAPH overthrew Aristide, killed 5,000 civilians and terrorized Haiti
for four years.

The Convergence is supported by the Haitian elite and the leadership
of the US Republican Party (through the National Endowment for
Democracy and the International Republican Institute).

The Group of 184 is represented by Andy Apaid, a Duvalier supporter
and US citizen who obtained a Haitian passport by fraudulently
claiming to have been born in Haiti. Apaid owns 15 factories in Haiti
and was the main foe of Aristide's 2003 campaign to raise the minimum
wage (which, at $1.60 a day, was lower than what it had been 10 years
earlier).

By demanding that the opposition be included in any resolution of
Haiti's political impasse, the US has greatly empowered these forces.
While the opposition perpetuates Haiti's political deadlock, the US
embargo (see below) guarantees the island's economic strangulation.
Aristide's opponents hope that these combined tactics will achieve
what they cannot win through democratic elections: the ouster of
Aristide.

Why is it so hard to get a clear picture of what's happening in Haiti?
Media Manipulation

-> One reason is that the opposition has succeeded in mobilizing the
mainstream media to create an image of Aristide as a tyrant and the
opposition as democratic freedom fighters. For example, international
media have run several stories comparing the opposition to the
movement to overthrow Haiti's long-time Duvalier dictatorship.
Although the Haitian government has condemned attacks by its
supporters on opposition forces, mainstream media did not report the
condemnations

-> Most international coverage of the crisis in Haiti comes from the
large wire services, Reuters and the Associated Press. These wire
services rely almost exclusively on Haiti's elite-owned media (Radio
Metropole, Tele-Haiti, Radio Caraibe, Radio Vision 2000 and Radio
Kiskeya) for their stories. The outlets are owned and operated by the
opposition. For example, Andy Apaid, spokesman for the Group of 184,
is the founder of Tele-Haiti.

-> Progressive journalists have accused these stations of exaggerating
reports of violence by government supporters and ignoring violence by
opposition forces. These stations air commercials inciting Haitians to
overthrow the government.

US Double-Speak

-> Another reason for confusion is that the Bush Administration is
upholding a long US tradition of talking about respect for democracy
in Haiti while supporting the country's most anti-democratic, pro-
business forces. The US has encouraged the opposition to refuse to
participate in elections and, at the same time, declared that
elections in Haiti will only be considered legitimate if the
opposition participates.

-> Powell says that the US is 'not interested in regime change.' But
the Administration is supporting a disinformation campaign in the US
media, maintaining an embargo that is intensifying hunger and disease
amongst Haiti's poorest and supporting the sponsors of armed,
vigilante violence that has already killed scores of people.

What is the role of the US in Haiti? The US was the main supporter of
the Duvalier dictatorship. In 1986, when Haiti's pro-democracy
movement finally succeeded in overthrowing the hated dictator, he was
ferried to safety by the Reagan Administration.

Only with the rise of Aristide, Haiti's first democratically elected
president, did US support shift from the Haitian leadership to those
who orchestrated the 1991 coup d'etat.

In 1994, public pressure and fear of an influx of Haitian 'boat
people' led the Clinton Administration to reverse the coup d'etat and
restore Aristide to power.

The Republican leadership strongly opposed the intervention. In 1995,
when Republicans took control of Congress, they pushed to cancel US
aid to Haiti and to finance the opposition by reallocating federal
funds to Haitian non-governmental organizations opposed to Aristide.

In 2000, the Republicans exploited Haiti's electoral controversy as an
opportunity to discredit Aristide. The Bush Administration pressured
the Inter-American Development Bank to cancel more than $650 million
in development assistance and approved loans to Haiti -- money that
was slated to pay for safe drinking water, literacy programs and
health services.

The seven contested senators are long gone, but the embargo remains in
place, denying critical services to the poorest people in the
hemisphere.

What is Aristide's record? The US allowed Aristide to be reinstated on
the condition that he implement a neoliberal economic agenda.

Aristide complied with some US demands, including a reduction of
tariffs on US-grown rice that bankrupted thousands of Haitian farmers
and maintenance of a below- subsistence-level minimum wage.

But Aristide resisted privatizing state-owned resources, because of
protests from his political base and because he was reluctant to
relinquish control over these sources of wealth.

Aristide eventually doubled the minimum wage and -- despite the
embargo -- prioritized education and healthcare: he built schools and
renovated public hospitals; established new HIV-testing centers and
doctor-training programs; and introduced a program to subsidize
schoolbooks and uniforms and expand school lunch and bussing services.

Aristide has tried to walk a line between US demands for neoliberal
reforms and his own commitment to a progressive economic agenda. As a
result, he has lost favor with parts of his own political base and
Haitian and US elites.

Aristide has also been criticized for turning a blind eye to human
rights abuses committed by his supporters and by advocates of good
governance for rewarding loyalists with government posts regardless of
their qualifications. (a patronage system even more extensive than the
one that has filled the Bush Administration with former CEOs and
corporate lobbyists.)

So Should Progressives Support Aristide? The current crisis is not
about supporting or opposing Aristide the man, but about defending
constitutional democracy in Haiti. In a democracy, elections-and not
vigilante violence-should be the measure of 'the will of the people.'
Aristide has repeatedly invited the opposition to participate in
elections and they have refused, knowing that they cannot win at the
polls.
Matthew
2004-04-22 11:02:29 UTC
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Padraig, again I tell you: do not waste your life scrawling messages on a
dumb, already-crowded wall that no one, not a soul, reads! If you believe in
political activism, do it primarily in real, physical life. Not here in the
virtual, where the unconvinced and close-minded, or the lazy and apathetic,
will never be roused into action no matter what you say or share. Cyberspace
is the land of political impotence. It only fosters fools and blowhards.
Practice what you preach, Padraig, practice what you preach, and do not in
the mean time accuse me of hypocrisy!

Matthew
Padraig L Henry
2004-04-22 21:02:06 UTC
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Post by Matthew
Padraig, again I tell you: do not waste your life scrawling messages on a
dumb, already-crowded wall that no one, not a soul, reads! If you believe in
political activism, do it primarily in real, physical life. Not here in the
virtual, where the unconvinced and close-minded, or the lazy and apathetic,
will never be roused into action no matter what you say or share. Cyberspace
is the land of political impotence. It only fosters fools and blowhards.
Practice what you preach, Padraig, practice what you preach, and do not in
the mean time accuse me of hypocrisy!
Matthew
Was there something you wanted to add about the situation in Haiti?
Magic7Ball
2004-04-23 02:57:11 UTC
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Post by Padraig L Henry
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:55:33 GMT, "Magic7Ball"
Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word
of a trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist
at knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick,
They owe me one hell of a lot more than some sickly Hollywood
confectionery ...
What do they owe you? What does anyone owe you? A public condemnation of
American foreign policy?
And if you don't receive it, you are entitled to treat others like shit?

Get real.
Post by Padraig L Henry
Post by Magic7Ball
and every
peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
Huh? What do the detainees in Haiti have to do with your treatment of
others?
Mike Jackson
2004-04-23 03:07:55 UTC
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Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:55:33 GMT, "Magic7Ball"
Post by Magic7Ball
Charming that some of you here - the predictable rump - take the word of a
trolling sociopathic hate-monger and Zionist-funded propagandist at
knee-jerk face value and proceed to jump on the band wagon ... ... A
predictable lot ...
The way I see it, you still owe David Mullen, Katharina Kubrick,
They owe me one hell of a lot more than some sickly Hollywood
confectionery ...
What do they owe you? What does anyone owe you? A public condemnation of
American foreign policy?
And if you don't receive it, you are entitled to treat others like shit?
Get real.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?"
"Germans?"
Post by Magic7Ball
Post by Padraig L Henry
Post by Magic7Ball
and every peaceful American on this newsgroup one jelly doughnut.
Given that I have yet to witness a "peaceful American" on this
newsgroup [not ONE American here has genuinely condemned America's
current - and past - murderous foreign policy], the jelly doughnuts
are now on consignment to Haiti, where they will come in real handy
for those resisting the recent illegal and bloody US-orchestrated coup
d'etat ...
Huh? What do the detainees in Haiti have to do with your treatment of
others?
Forget it, he's rolling...
--
"Life is like a box of chocolates, a cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift no
one ever asks for. Unreturnable because all you get back is another box of
chocolates. So you're stuck with this mostly undefinable whipped mint crap,
mindlessly wolfed down when there's nothing else to eat during the game.
Sure, once in a while you get a peanut butter cup or an English toffee, but
it's gone too soon and the taste is fleeting. In the end you're left with
nothing but broken bits of hardened jelly and teeth-shattering nuts, which
if you are desperate enough to eat, leaves nothing but useless brown paper
wrappers."
-- Cigarette-Smoking Man, "The X-Files"
Magic7Ball
2004-04-23 07:33:52 UTC
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Post by Mike Jackson
Post by Magic7Ball
What do they owe you? What does anyone owe you? A public condemnation of
American foreign policy?
And if you don't receive it, you are entitled to treat others like shit?
Get real.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?"
"Germans?"
"My trip to Asia begins here in Japan for an important reason.
(Applause.) It begins here because for a century and a half now,
America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances
of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the
Pacific."

- George W. Bush, Feb 18th, 2002
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02021803.htm
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