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Kubrick on EWS? Or Lee Ermey on something else?
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i***@hotmail.com
2006-10-03 16:39:24 UTC
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Check this one out.

http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php

Best,
Steve
Your Pal Brian
2006-10-04 02:17:21 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Excellent interview! I love the stuff about the Commie News
Network, and the way the interviewer can't quite get his mind
around it. Reality is bespoke these days - which will only end
in disaster, of course, though it's still funny.

But I'm not so sure about the "He was kind of a shy little timid
guy. He wasn't real forceful" bit. Most of the Kubrick anecdotes
I've heard (leaving out those about his eccentricities) are about
his resolve and determination. From the struggle with the
cameraman on The Killing to the "bollicking" he gives Shelley
Duvall in the Shining doc, I don't get the impression of a "shy
little timid guy". But maybe by Ermey's standards that
description includes everyone.

Why is it that interviewers who get these kinds of scoops never
press for details?

Brian
blue
2006-10-04 19:52:07 UTC
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I agree, craziest bit of news to come by this group since the release of
the film.
Now we get the arguments about it being taken out of context I guess. I
doubt Tom Cruise is
any sort of pushover, he's locked quite a few directors out of the
editing room in his time.
I doubt that happened here but there were a couple of 'recastings' on
that film if I remember.
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Excellent interview! I love the stuff about the Commie News
Network, and the way the interviewer can't quite get his mind
around it. Reality is bespoke these days - which will only end
in disaster, of course, though it's still funny.
But I'm not so sure about the "He was kind of a shy little timid
guy. He wasn't real forceful" bit. Most of the Kubrick anecdotes
I've heard (leaving out those about his eccentricities) are about
his resolve and determination. From the struggle with the
cameraman on The Killing to the "bollicking" he gives Shelley
Duvall in the Shining doc, I don't get the impression of a "shy
little timid guy". But maybe by Ermey's standards that
description includes everyone.
Why is it that interviewers who get these kinds of scoops never
press for details?
Brian
ichorwhip
2006-10-04 22:25:58 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
Ermey at his most incendiary self, thanks for the heads up Steve.
Let's look at the most controversial portion (as far as AMK ought to be
concerned) of this interview for a minute:

--Reed: Did you and Kubrick become close while shooting Full Metal
Jacket?

--Ermey: Very close. Stanley called me up all the time. He'd call at
three o'clock in the morning and say, "Oh, it's 10 o'clock over here."
[Laughs] "Yeah, well, it's three o-fucking-clock in the morning here,
Stanley. Oh well." He called me about two weeks before he died, as a
matter of fact. We had a long conversation about Eyes Wide Shut. He
told me it was a piece of shit and that he was disgusted with it and
that the critics were going to have him for lunch. He said Cruise and
Kidman had their way with him-exactly the words he used.

Pretty stunning stuff for Ermey to be spouting. It only raises a lot
of questions in my mind. Like why would Kubrick confide in him of all
people, someone well-known for shooting his mouth off with a
devil-may-care bravado? Why didn't Kubrick tell this to anyone else
that we know of? Why did Kubrick tell others that he thought it was
his best film? Why did Ermey wait for this highly bombastic interview
to reveal this? And was Kubrick, an icon of will and determination and
just plain having his way, suddenly transformed into a lamb? As much as
I am loath to have Ermey track me down, rip my head off and shit down
my throat-whistle, I'd have to say he's full of crap!

--Reed: What did he mean?

--Ermey: He was kind of a shy little timid guy. He wasn't real
forceful. That's why he didn't appreciate working with big,
high-powered actors. They would have their way with him, he would lose
control, and his movie would turn to shit.

That's good Gunny... except that it's full of shit. Now I like Ermey,
and if I had a sister... well you know the rest..., but damned if I can
take him seriously on any of this. I'd only change my mind if some of
his better known confidantes were to come forward and corroborate him.
I don't think that will ever happen, and I'd bet bottom dollar that
Ermey doesn't think so either.

"Bullshit! I still can't hear you!"
i
"piop"
i***@hotmail.com
2006-10-05 01:20:32 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
Ermey at his most incendiary self, thanks for the heads up Steve.
Let's look at the most controversial portion (as far as AMK ought to be
****
I was waiting for that.
****
Post by ichorwhip
--Reed: Did you and Kubrick become close while shooting Full Metal
Jacket?
--Ermey: Very close. Stanley called me up all the time. He'd call at
three o'clock in the morning and say, "Oh, it's 10 o'clock over here."
[Laughs] "Yeah, well, it's three o-fucking-clock in the morning here,
Stanley. Oh well." He called me about two weeks before he died, as a
matter of fact. We had a long conversation about Eyes Wide Shut. He
told me it was a piece of shit and that he was disgusted with it and
that the critics were going to have him for lunch. He said Cruise and
Kidman had their way with him-exactly the words he used.
Pretty stunning stuff for Ermey to be spouting. It only raises a lot
of questions in my mind. Like why would Kubrick confide in him of all
people, someone well-known for shooting his mouth off with a
devil-may-care bravado? Why didn't Kubrick tell this to anyone else
that we know of? Why did Kubrick tell others that he thought it was
his best film? Why did Ermey wait for this highly bombastic interview
to reveal this? And was Kubrick, an icon of will and determination and
just plain having his way, suddenly transformed into a lamb? As much as
I am loath to have Ermey track me down, rip my head off and shit down
my throat-whistle, I'd have to say he's full of crap!
*****
Buuuwaahahaa! So what's going on here, then? Is this movie we've all
been jerking off with for the last 7 years actually a piece of
disgusting shit? And the rest of it is right there in the article.
End of story? (Yes, I was paraphrasing Victor)

Nay, I say. Nay! EWS is brilliant and it is beautiful. As for this
quote. I dunno. It sounds like bull, but I've never read Ermey say
anything untrue before. Maybe it's natural for someone working a long
time on a project to have days of doubt and angst about the work, and
to shit on it and to blame coworkers while talking to a friend. Maybe
SK woke up next day in love with EWS again. Who knows. I like EWS.
***
Post by ichorwhip
--Reed: What did he mean?
--Ermey: He was kind of a shy little timid guy. He wasn't real
forceful. That's why he didn't appreciate working with big,
high-powered actors. They would have their way with him, he would lose
control, and his movie would turn to shit.
****
This is the last thing I'd expect anyone to say about SK.

Best,
Steve
***
Post by ichorwhip
That's good Gunny... except that it's full of shit. Now I like Ermey,
and if I had a sister... well you know the rest..., but damned if I can
take him seriously on any of this. I'd only change my mind if some of
his better known confidantes were to come forward and corroborate him.
I don't think that will ever happen, and I'd bet bottom dollar that
Ermey doesn't think so either.
"Bullshit! I still can't hear you!"
i
"piop"
ichorwhip
2006-10-05 02:17:10 UTC
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Post by ichorwhip
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
Ermey at his most incendiary self, thanks for the heads up Steve.
Let's look at the most controversial portion (as far as AMK ought to be
****
I was waiting for that.
****
Post by ichorwhip
--Reed: Did you and Kubrick become close while shooting Full Metal
Jacket?
--Ermey: Very close. Stanley called me up all the time. He'd call at
three o'clock in the morning and say, "Oh, it's 10 o'clock over here."
[Laughs] "Yeah, well, it's three o-fucking-clock in the morning here,
Stanley. Oh well." He called me about two weeks before he died, as a
matter of fact. We had a long conversation about Eyes Wide Shut. He
told me it was a piece of shit and that he was disgusted with it and
that the critics were going to have him for lunch. He said Cruise and
Kidman had their way with him-exactly the words he used.
Pretty stunning stuff for Ermey to be spouting. It only raises a lot
of questions in my mind. Like why would Kubrick confide in him of all
people, someone well-known for shooting his mouth off with a
devil-may-care bravado? Why didn't Kubrick tell this to anyone else
that we know of? Why did Kubrick tell others that he thought it was
his best film? Why did Ermey wait for this highly bombastic interview
to reveal this? And was Kubrick, an icon of will and determination and
just plain having his way, suddenly transformed into a lamb? As much as
I am loath to have Ermey track me down, rip my head off and shit down
my throat-whistle, I'd have to say he's full of crap!
*****
Buuuwaahahaa! So what's going on here, then? Is this movie we've all
been jerking off with for the last 7 years actually a piece of
disgusting shit? And the rest of it is right there in the article.
End of story? (Yes, I was paraphrasing Victor)
Nay, I say. Nay! EWS is brilliant and it is beautiful. As for this
quote. I dunno. It sounds like bull, but I've never read Ermey say
anything untrue before.
That's what doesn't wash. Ermey is known for being painfully and even
abusively honest.
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Maybe it's natural for someone working a long
time on a project to have days of doubt and angst about the work, and
to shit on it and to blame coworkers while talking to a friend.
It's also possible that Kubrick was joking with Ermey about it, and he
took it seriously. I can't figure on Ermey willfully lying about this,
but he's not exactly a "well-balanced" individual if you know what I
mean. Just look at how he thought he'd "improve" on his role as the
psycho-sheriff in his latest movie...<shudder!> In addition, I've
never heard of Ermey and Kubrick having much of an ongoing relationship
post-FMJ, which doesn't mean it's not so, but why haven't we heard this
before? Ermey is anything but media-shy, and he's talked endlessly
about how he wrote most of his own dialog in FMJ, and working with
Kubrick and so forth. And now all of a sudden this? It ain't tiffany
cufflinks!
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Maybe SK woke up next day in love with EWS again. Who knows. I like EWS.
***
Me too. I think Kubrick was prolly happy with it. Of course we'll
never no how satisfied he was, and that's the sad thing. Ermey may
also just being trying to stir up some shit for no good reason. He's
nuts! Ever watch "Mail Call?" Maybe he doesn't like Tom Cruise and
decided to go for a "headshot." Maybe he's jealous that Nicole got
remarried. Who knows?
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Post by ichorwhip
--Reed: What did he mean?
--Ermey: He was kind of a shy little timid guy. He wasn't real
forceful. That's why he didn't appreciate working with big,
high-powered actors. They would have their way with him, he would lose
control, and his movie would turn to shit.
****
This is the last thing I'd expect anyone to say about SK.
I know. It just doesn't fit the known pattern of SK at all. Jack
Nicholson was about as "high-powered" an actor as Kubrick ever used,
and that's exactly what Kubrick did with actors, he _used_ them.
Anyone who didn't go along with SK's plans did not last long. Isn't
that what happened to Anthony Michael Hall on FMJ? Things aren't
stacking up here Gunny!

"If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at
the moment of truth."
i
"piop"
Harry Bailey
2006-10-05 01:28:04 UTC
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Post by ichorwhip
As much as
I am loath to have Ermey track me down, rip my head off and shit down
my throat-whistle, I'd have to say he's full of crap!
Yes, he clearly did not like EWS.
Post by ichorwhip
--Ermey: He was kind of a shy little timid guy. He wasn't real
forceful. That's why he didn't appreciate working with big,
high-powered actors. They would have their way with him, he would lose
control, and his movie would turn to shit.
Which movie would that be, Mr big, high-powered actor?

Any wonder Kubrick killed him off after 4 inches, er, 40 minutes, THATS
40 MINUTES PYLE! 40 MINUTES!!!
Post by ichorwhip
That's good Gunny... except that it's full of shit. Now I like Ermey,
and if I had a sister... well you know the rest..., but damned if I can
take him seriously on any of this. I'd only change my mind if some of
his better known confidantes were to come forward and corroborate him.
I don't think that will ever happen, and I'd bet bottom dollar that
Ermey doesn't think so either.
Ermey still thinks he's in fucking Vietnam.

He's right ... [especially from his performance as a Pod-person in
Ferraro's version of Body Snatchers].
blue
2006-10-05 07:37:34 UTC
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I think the 'shit film' comment could just be taken out of context.
Somebody who is worried about
their film not being as good as they hoped might come out with something
like that just because they
are a bit insecure about it a few days before release, almost as an
exagerattion.

Remember Kubrick was talking to Ermey who isn't exactly known for his
subtlety, he was probably just
communicating with him in a usual manner. Talking about the subtelties
of the film probably wouldn't
elicit any sort of response from him so he would have to be dramatic.

Having said that. In a movie contract you are expressly forbidden from
slagging off your own movie so
Kubrick's response to the press would have had top have been positive,
just to keep lawyers off his back.

Tom Cruise weilds a huge amount of power. Kubrick or not, Cruise could
have easily insisted on
'No explicit sex scenes between him and nicole' and 'no kissing the
corpse'. etc.
Essentailly shaving the thornier bits off the story. We know that the
kissing scene was filmed - but that's not
proof in it's self.

The one thing that really really bugs me about EWS are the 'imagination'
scenes with Cruise in the car. They really
don't feel like Kubrick at all. We can see what he is thinking about
just by looking at his face we don't need any
more exposition. It is the equivelant of putting 'flashes' into the shot
of Nicholson by the fire in TS.
It's also the only time in the film where we break the illusion of the
story being like a dream (a dream within a
dream?). It just doesn't feel at all right, logically or artistically.
It is these sort of changes I bet Cruise might
have pressured Kubrick with.

D
Post by ichorwhip
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
Ermey at his most incendiary self, thanks for the heads up Steve.
Let's look at the most controversial portion (as far as AMK ought to be
--Reed: Did you and Kubrick become close while shooting Full Metal
Jacket?
--Ermey: Very close. Stanley called me up all the time. He'd call at
three o'clock in the morning and say, "Oh, it's 10 o'clock over here."
[Laughs] "Yeah, well, it's three o-fucking-clock in the morning here,
Stanley. Oh well." He called me about two weeks before he died, as a
matter of fact. We had a long conversation about Eyes Wide Shut. He
told me it was a piece of shit and that he was disgusted with it and
that the critics were going to have him for lunch. He said Cruise and
Kidman had their way with him-exactly the words he used.
Pretty stunning stuff for Ermey to be spouting. It only raises a lot
of questions in my mind. Like why would Kubrick confide in him of all
people, someone well-known for shooting his mouth off with a
devil-may-care bravado? Why didn't Kubrick tell this to anyone else
that we know of? Why did Kubrick tell others that he thought it was
his best film? Why did Ermey wait for this highly bombastic interview
to reveal this? And was Kubrick, an icon of will and determination and
just plain having his way, suddenly transformed into a lamb? As much as
I am loath to have Ermey track me down, rip my head off and shit down
my throat-whistle, I'd have to say he's full of crap!
--Reed: What did he mean?
--Ermey: He was kind of a shy little timid guy. He wasn't real
forceful. That's why he didn't appreciate working with big,
high-powered actors. They would have their way with him, he would lose
control, and his movie would turn to shit.
That's good Gunny... except that it's full of shit. Now I like Ermey,
and if I had a sister... well you know the rest..., but damned if I can
take him seriously on any of this. I'd only change my mind if some of
his better known confidantes were to come forward and corroborate him.
I don't think that will ever happen, and I'd bet bottom dollar that
Ermey doesn't think so either.
"Bullshit! I still can't hear you!"
i
"piop"
Boaz
2006-10-05 04:33:39 UTC
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Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
Thanks for posting this, Steve. I think ol' Lee is experiencing some
latent Vietnam flashbacks. And what's with that stuff on the side of
his mouth? Has he been eating shit? Because he seems so full of it in
this interview.

"I have to admit, though, that one of my more famous lines didn't come
from anything I heard in the military: 'I bet you're the kind of guy
that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamnned
common courtesy to give him a reach-around.' I forgot my lines one day
and it just came out of the sky. God sent it down to me."

Did God go to the WGA arbitration committee for credit? This is someone
(Ermey) who said in an interview, shortly after the film came out, that
he felt uncomfortable saying the line, "God has a hard-on for Marines."
He thought it worked against his religious upbringing. So why then is
he giving the Almighty credit for a line that would be more appropriate
in one of Mark Foley's instant messages? I guess He wanted Lee to have
that line so he just "miracled" it to him. , )

As for Ermey's bullshit claim that this immortal line was something he
never heard in the military, he ought to read William Manchester's
memoirs, "Goodbye, Darkness." Manchester, who was wounded at Okinawa,
talks about a DI he knew in WWII who, when getting drunk in a bar one
night, talked about his own homosexual experiences, many of them with
people who apparently held high positions in the military. He concluded
his tirade that he was going to write a book and call it "Famous Cocks
I Have Sucked."

I mean, the Marines are supposed to be the toughest branch of all of
the services, aren't they? I assume that would mean they are the
roughest talking bunch of SOBs too. Maybe Ermey should have paid a
visit to the WAF basic training area at Lackland Air Force Base. The
woman DI there would shout out such gems to the female recruits on the
parade ground as, "I want to hear eight hundred pussies sucking wind!"
Then she would add, "There's eight miles of cock on this base, and
you're not going to get one fucking inch until you march right!" (My
two brothers had the dubious honor of doing their basic training at
Lackland, and when the wind was blowing in the right direction they
would hear this. They served at different times, so I am assuming the
DI was working from a "script.")

"Every role I do, I push the character as far as I can. I'll take him
right to the edge. In fact, I'll take him over the edge until the
director pulls me back in."

Is Ermey a method actor? He should be a guest on "Inside the Actors
Studio." The questioning can begin with "What's your favorite curse
word?" and Ermey can fill up the hour from there. Of course, being on
the Bravo Channel, every curse word would be bleeped, so anyone tuning
in late would think they're hearing a very long test of the Emergency
Broadcast System.

"That's why I loved doing The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There's no
fucking falling over the edge with Sheriff Hoyt. He's a sexually
perverted homicidal maniac."

Uhhhh, I may be wrong, but aren't most homicidal maniacs sexually
perverted? Don't most have some Freudian type of hangup that leads to
their particular "career choices"?

"I mean, come on, where's the edge?"

Performing with Bono, maybe? , )

"And there's not a writer in Hollywood who can identify with that type
of character."

Thank Bog for small favors! Well, maybe there's a few. I think they
write sit-coms.

"Sexually perverted homicidal maniacs just aren't doing any writing in
Hollywood these days."

No, they are too busy murdering innocent Amish children, Lee. How would
Lee rate the execution-style headshots made to the girls in the school?
("Outstanding, Private Pyle! I think we've finally found something that
you do well!")

"So I try to improve the entertainment value."

Maybe that's why I saw the trailer at the same time I saw that piece of
shit "Snakes on a Plane." Perhaps this one could be called "Cannibal
Headhunters from Pendelton."

"I tried to get the producers and directors to go along with my
sexually perverted version of Sheriff Hoyt, which is something I came
up with, and it worked great. But, no. I lost, and it really upsets me.
As a matter of fact, I rewrote a scene so that Hoyt comes out of the
woods dragging a corpse and buttoning his trousers up. Maybe it's just
a little too tough for 'em, you know? They say shit like, 'I don't
think the audience is ready for this.' And, 'We'll have to save this
for the DVD,' or something. It really pisses me off."

Maybe we'll be treated to a clip on "Mail Call." Is this a
tongue-in-cheek statement, or has Agent Orange finally eaten away at
Lee's brain?

"Stanley called me up all the time. He'd call at three o'clock in the
morning and say, 'Oh, it's 10 o'clock over here.' [Laughs] 'Yeah, well,
it's three o-fucking-clock in the morning here, Stanley. Oh well.' He
called me about two weeks before he died, as a matter of fact. We had a
long conversation about Eyes Wide Shut. He told me it was a piece of
shit and that he was disgusted with it and that the critics were going
to have him for lunch. He said Cruise and Kidman had their way with
him-exactly the words he used."

I think Ermey would have a better chance being visited by Marley's
Ghost than to be getting one of those famous middle-of-the-night phone
calls from Kubrick. Ich said it best in his response, so I won't
elaborate on this paragraph, except to say that if Kubrick and Ermey
were *that* close, why wasn't he interviewed in Jan Harlan's "Stanley
Kubrick: A Life in Pictures"? Kubrick would have been better off
keeping a relationship with Malcolm McDowell if any of this is true.

"He was kind of a shy little timid guy. He wasn't real forceful. That's
why he didn't appreciate working with big, high-powered actors. They
would have their way with him, he would lose control, and his movie
would turn to shit."

Kubrick was shy, but he wasn't timid -- not when he didn't want to be.
As for the "That's why he didn't appreciate working with big,
high-powered actors" remark, what about Nicholson? In "A Life in
Pictures" Nicholson said he and Kubrick talked about working together
again. "They would have their way with him, he would lose control, and
his movie would turn to shit." If that were the case, "Spartacus" would
have been a massive turd. Kubrick did the best he could, under the
circumstances. He held his own against "high-powered" egomaniac Kirk
Douglas pretty well, I think. This is an odd way for Ermey to thank
someone who pretty much made his career what it is today.

"I've been over [in Iraq] a couple of times. We're doing just fine.

He obviously doesn't believe the NIE report either.

"The problem is, the Communist News Network and all of the
media-which is run by totally off-the-wall, clear-off-the-deep-end
liberals-are on the wrong side. They're with the bad guys."

They are, huh? "Who's the slimy little communist shit twinkle-toed
cocksucker down here, who just signed his own death warrant?" Hey, Lee,
use that part as an audition tape to get on as a co-host of Bill
O'Reilly's show. These neo-cons are going to need every bit of help
from every part of the country right now, while the rest of us sit back
and enjoy witnessing a GOP meltdown.

"I hang out with the Joint Chiefs of Staff."

Is there a Buck Turgidson currently among them? ("The Air Force never
sleeps!")

"I play golf with 'em."

Prolly need someone the officers can beat. What's yer handicap, Lee?

"I hang with the military."

Out to dry, Lee? , )

"When I need a social evening I pack up my stuff and go to Camp
Pendleton, to the NCO Club. I don't go to some bar in Hollywood.
There's nobody there I care to talk to."

Too bad, Lee. You could do some pretty good standup comedy. Raunch
sells, don't you know? You're a goddamn cult hero to many people out
here, Lee!

"I go to Bethesda/Walter Reed Hospital a couple of times each year, and
those kids are laying there with their legs shot off and can't wait to
get a prosthetic so they can get back to their unit and keep fighting
the war."

Makes me think of the hospital scene from "Cross of Iron," where the
general hands out an Iron Cross to a quadruple amputee. Not only are
amputees not sent back into combat (this isn't the War Between the
States, Lee), but I doubt there are many who would want to "stump their
way" to Baghdad and beyond. Running for political office maybe, but not
to return to combat. ("I'll get my other leg blown off and have a
matched pair!")

"But one thing we didn't show in Full Metal Jacket is what happens
after the platoon graduates: The DI relaxes and has a nice chat with
them before he sends them off."

Hmmmm...with tea and buscuits too? (though a mouthful of buscuits)
"Disappear, scumbag!" (SLURPS his tea while holding his little finger
crooked)

"We train men to kill and win wars, and we train women to support those
men."

So what do eight hundred women Marine pussies sucking wind sound like,
Lee? , ) ("I'll bet you if there was some pussy up there on top of that
obstacle you could get up there! Couldn't you?!")

"The old Gunny won't be coming out of the closet anytime soon. I love
tanks and things that make loud explosions."

You do, huh, Lee? Dr. Freud would beg to differ with you regarding this
last remark.

I realize the Marine Corps helps build self-confidence, but Ermey's
confidence has apparently morphed into megalomania. What was he doing,
firing the shotgun and then inhaling the smoke from the barrel in
between takes?

Boaz
("We're you about to call me an asshole?")
Harry Bailey
2006-10-05 20:04:47 UTC
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Boaz wrote:

Good points Boaz (and Ich).
Ermey: He said Cruise and Kidman had their way with
him-exactly the words he used." ...[] ... They
would have their way with him, he would lose control, and his movie
would turn to shit.
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."

And, via ex-AMKer David Kirkpatrick, this dialogue appeared in Time
this week:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1541259,00.html

TIME: Are there any of your own movies you have come back to?

NICHOLSON: On TV, if some-thing happens by.

DAMON: If Titanic is on, I cannot turn it off. [Much laughter. DiCaprio
nods and smiles wryly.] I say that only half- joking. There are just
those movies--GoodFellas is like that for me. You stop what you're
doing, and you can't turn it off.

DICAPRIO: There's something about Marty's directing where if his films
come on, I watch them every time. It's a rare thing, but you do find
these details that you've never seen before. He's obsessive about
authenticity and minutiae that you may skip the first time, and
then--Oh, my God! Slicing the garlic meant something! They weren't just
slicing garlic!

SCORSESE: Kubrick is really the killer. The other night, there it is
again--The Shining. What could I do? I had to watch the whole goddam
thing.

DICAPRIO: [To Nicholson] I wish you would have worked with Kubrick
again, man.

NICHOLSON: Me too. I'm ashamed to admit it, but the first thought
through my mind when I heard that he died was not, Oooh, Stanley, my
dear friend. It was, F___. Not going to get to do another movie with
him. I wouldn't have suspected that would have been my reaction, but
it's true.
Alex Thrawn
2006-10-05 21:35:32 UTC
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Boaz wrote:
"So why then is he giving the Almighty credit for a line that would
be more appropriate
in one of Mark Foley's instant messages?"

Wow, Foley, how topical. Whatever happened to innocent until proven
guilty?
I think he said something filthy came from god because it's a funny
thing to say.

"These neo-cons are going to need every bit of help from every part
of the country right now, while the rest of us sit back and enjoy
witnessing a GOP meltdown."

So if he bashed the president, like that would be original, you
probably would be praising him. What meltdown? Haven't you heard the
Foley "scandal" is turning out to be a hoax?

Even the imdb is reporting it today, surprisingly, they give the source
no credit.
Cruise and Kidman Ruined 'Eyes Wide Shut', Kubrick Told Ermey
Stanley Kubrick thought his last movie Eyes Wide Shut was a "piece of
s**t" that was ruined by interference from its stars Tom Cruise and
Nicole Kidman, according to actor R. Lee Ermey. Ermey starred in
Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket and remained in contact with the legendary
film-maker up until his death in 1999. When the pair spoke shortly
after Kubrick had completed work on Eyes Wide Shut, Ermey recalls the
legendary director expressing his disappointment with the movie. He
says, "Stanley called me about two weeks before he died, as a matter of
fact. We had a long conversation about Eyes Wide Shut. He told me it
was a piece of s**t and that he was disgusted with it and that the
critics were going to have him for lunch. He said Cruise and Kidman had
their way with him - exactly the words he used. He was kind of a shy
little timid guy. He wasn't real forceful. That's why he didn't
appreciate working with big, high-powered actors. They would have their
way with him, he would lose control, and his movie would turn to s**t."
Kubrick died in Hertfordshire, England of natural causes in March 1999.

There are plenty of stories of the Great Man calling his old friends in
the middle of the night to talk. Just like Douglas Trumbull recently
said "Stanley never spoke to me about any of the movies I ever made.
Stanley talked about Stanley's movies. I had funny encounters with
Stanley. I've always, my whole life, considered him a mentor and a
friend, and I had this funny problem with him. On the one hand, he
would call me in the middle of the night and say, "Doug, I want to
shoot these scenes in this movie and I want to shoot it all in
candlelight and I need lenses that are like F-5 or F-.9," and he would
have all these technical questions."

Maybe the Great Man was referring to the hype around the stars of the
film taking away from the film itself. Yes, those are high-powered
actors. There was always hype around the next Kubrick film, but never
like EWS because of the stars and the time it took to finish.

Alex
Harry Bailey
2006-10-05 22:52:02 UTC
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"Cruise and Kidman Ruined 'Eyes Wide Shut', Kubrick Told Ermey".

Like - as in - "Eyes Wide Shut" ruined Cruise and Kidman's marriage,
according to David Thompson's recently-published Kidman biography, or,
uh, Kubrick ruined Eyes Wide Shut, according to scriptwriter Frederich
Raphael, or, eh, Eyes Wide Shut turned Cruise into a raving
homosexual-denier, according to gay fetishist Lord Bullingdon, or, em,
Eyes Wide Shut exposes secret ULTRA mind-control experiments of
Illuminati-controlled Military-Industrial-Entertainment Complex,
according to a recent escapee/survivor ...

This movie is cursed, I tell you!! CURSED!!! It turns women who watch
it into CRAZED WITCHES who violently castrate any man they come into
contact with (Alice ---"Now ... do you think she ever has fantasies
about what handsome Dr Bill's dickie might be like?"), after tearing
out all their hair by the roots and catching the latest Harry Potter
movie, and condemns all male viewers to a life of PSYCHOTIC neurosis,
impishly and passively awaiting the ULTRA mind-controllers to prepare
them for their ultimate alien abduction.
Post by Alex Thrawn
Wow, Foley, how topical. Whatever happened to innocent until proven
guilty?
I think he said something filthy came from god because it's a funny
thing to say.
Um, in case you hadn't noticed, Habeus Corpus was abolished last
Thursday in the US (not that its previous existence prevented its
routine transgression hitherto). The US is now OFFICALLY a
fully-fledged fascist regime, the Foley paedophile case being a
convenient scapegoating, a media-infotainment diversion (just as
Clinton's Lewinsky sex addictions served to distract from his
mass-murder of Sudanese women and children a decade ago, Famileee
Values taking precedence over mass-slaughter abroad, as always)

It was a dark hour indeed last Thursday when the United States Senate
voted to end the constitutional republic and transform the country into
a "Leader-State," giving the president and his agents the power to
capture, torture and imprison forever anyone - American citizens
included - whom they arbitrarily decide is an "enemy combatant." This
also includes those who merely give "terrorism" some kind of "support,"
defined so vaguely that many experts say it could encompass legal
advice, innocent gifts to charities or even political opposition to US
government policy within its draconian strictures.

All of this is bad enough - a sickening and cowardly surrender of
liberty not seen in a major Western democracy since the Enabling Act
passed by the German Reichstag in March 1933. But it is by no means the
full extent of our degradation. In reality, the darkness is deeper, and
more foul, than most people imagine. For in addition to the dictatorial
powers of seizure and torment given by Congress on Thursday to George
W. Bush - powers he had already seized and exercised for five years
anyway, even without this fig leaf of sham legality - there is a far
more sinister imperial right that Bush has claimed - and used - openly,
without any demur or debate from Congress at all: ordering the
"extrajudicial killing" of anyone on earth that he and his deputies
decide - arbitrarily, without charges, court hearing, formal evidence,
or appeal - is an "enemy combatant."

Bin Laden has indeed won, suckers!

(Chavez for US prezniz!!!!).
Alex Thrawn
2006-10-06 05:24:54 UTC
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Post by Harry Bailey
Um, in case you hadn't noticed, Habeus Corpus was abolished last
Thursday in the US (not that its previous existence prevented its
routine transgression hitherto). The US is now OFFICALLY a
fully-fledged fascist regime, the Foley paedophile case being a
convenient scapegoating, a media-infotainment diversion (just as
Clinton's Lewinsky sex addictions served to distract from his
mass-murder of Sudanese women and children a decade ago, Famileee
Values taking precedence over mass-slaughter abroad, as always)
President Lincoln suspended it on 4/27/1861, somehow we survived.

Actually the 11/13/01 Presidential Military Order also did that,
somehow we survived.

9/29/06 - was for any alien determined to be an "unlawful enemy
combatant engaged in hostilities or having supported hostilities
against the United States"
Hmmm, I didn't read anything about police being able to round you up
in the middle of the night for posting Internet propaganda. Alien, not
US citizens. Oh yeah, it's the end of the world when terrorists
can't get constitutional rights. I guess you want to give them the
second amendment guarantees as well?

As for EWS, you like it or you don't. It doesn't matter what anyone
says.
Alex
Boaz
2006-10-06 03:23:21 UTC
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Post by Alex Thrawn
"So why then is he giving the Almighty credit for a line that would
be more appropriate
in one of Mark Foley's instant messages?"
Wow, Foley, how topical. Whatever happened to innocent until proven
guilty?
Looks like Harry beat me to the punch answering that question. There is
nothing I have to add to what Harry said so well.
Post by Alex Thrawn
I think he said something filthy came from god because it's a funny
thing to say.
Why would he think that was funny when he thought the line "God has a
hard-on for Marines" was not? Sounds contradictory to me.
Post by Alex Thrawn
"These neo-cons are going to need every bit of help from every part
of the country right now, while the rest of us sit back and enjoy
witnessing a GOP meltdown."
So if he bashed the president, like that would be original, you
probably would be praising him.
Ermey would not bash Bush; both are psychotic warmongers. The only
difference is that Ermey has seen real combat, while Bush has seen a
little on the tee-vee.

And, no, I would not be praising Ermey, under any circumstances. I find
him amusing, but generally I despise authority figures like him. It's
people like him who are complicit in turning young men into killing
machines, finding that "hard heart" within an individual and developing
it so that the young man can "kill without hesitation." A young male at
18 or 19 is still impressionable, and instead of developing his mind
further with a college education (or seeing the world in another way)
he is getting it filled with propaganda in the military so by the time
he is sent into combat he truly does think he is a jolly green giant,
out to save the underdeveloped world from itself. I've listened to guys
who were still in the military, listening to their automaton-like
speeches, like processed cheese. Their minds were still at the stage
where they could be easily indoctrinated into believing anything the DI
told them.

So it is not hard to imagine how a 16 year old congressional page could
easily be seduced by the glamor and power that exists on Capitol Hill,
and be persuaded into adding the unofficial title of congressional
blow-boy to their job description and not think it unusual.
Post by Alex Thrawn
What meltdown? Haven't you heard the
Foley "scandal" is turning out to be a hoax?
In your dreams, little Alex. , ) It's real and, in the words of Yogi
Berra, "It ain't over till it's over!" More shit is rising to the top.
Post by Alex Thrawn
Even the imdb is reporting it today, surprisingly, they give the source
no credit.
<snip this bullshit>

You truly believe everything you read on the IMDb?
Post by Alex Thrawn
There are plenty of stories of the Great Man calling his old friends in
the middle of the night to talk. Just like Douglas Trumbull recently
said "Stanley never spoke to me about any of the movies I ever made.
Stanley talked about Stanley's movies. I had funny encounters with
Stanley. I've always, my whole life, considered him a mentor and a
friend, and I had this funny problem with him. On the one hand, he
would call me in the middle of the night and say, "Doug, I want to
shoot these scenes in this movie and I want to shoot it all in
candlelight and I need lenses that are like F-5 or F-.9," and he would
have all these technical questions."
Right. Kubrick was calling Trumbll up regarding a TECHNICAL question.
Why would Kubrick call Ermey up in the middle of the night and confess
his innermost weaknesses, fer Chris'sakes? Lee Ermey? Lee Ermey, of all
people? What does the "Great Man" have to say to someone like Ermey?
Shy, maybe; timid, only to those unfamiliar with him. But I hardly see
Kubrick as a masochist who needed to reveal his innermost thoughts to a
former Marine drill sergeant, only to have the sergeant admonish him
for calling him up at 3:00 a.m. Or maybe it was the other way around.
Maybe Ermey liked those phone calls, regardless of the time. Maybe he
liked to hear confessions (so do priests, especially from young boys);
maybe he liked to have his brain picked by Kubrick, who no doubt did so
when originally hiring Ermey to be the technical advisor to FMJ, in
order to get the boot camp scenes and obstacle courses right. But we
all know once Kubrick is done with a project he is done. Why bother
calling up Ermey when such services are no longer needed? Malcolm
McDowell never got that kind of attention, and he not only craved
Kubrick's friendship he deserved it more.
Post by Alex Thrawn
Maybe the Great Man was referring to the hype around the stars of the
film taking away from the film itself. Yes, those are high-powered
actors. There was always hype around the next Kubrick film, but never
like EWS because of the stars and the time it took to finish.
And let's not forget the heat the "Great Man" got (albeit posthumous)
for disappointing die-hard Cruise and Kidman fans (mostly Cruise fans).
Before EWS opened it was hyped as "the new Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman
movie." After it came out everyone wanted to distance themselves from
it and Kubrick. So much for greatness, which in Hollywood is judged by
the bottom line.

Boaz
("What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?!! Didn't Mommy and Daddy
show you enough attention when you were a child?")
Alex Thrawn
2006-10-06 05:50:06 UTC
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Politics in a Kubrick group are so boring, that's why I mentioned it.
Bring on all the scandals you want, they rally the base like nothing
else.

--You truly believe everything you read on the IMDb?

Only the cast lists and even those aren't always complete.

--Right. Kubrick was calling Trumbll up regarding a TECHNICAL question.
Why would Kubrick call Ermey up in the middle of the night and confess
his innermost weaknesses, fer Chris'sakes? Lee Ermey?

Someone needs to ask him. Maybe he did have a question about the dialog
since Ermey came up with all those gems. Maybe Ermey asked why is it so
important at this hour. Maybe The Great Man was having trouble with
something to do with the film. I could picture him not having control
of just 1 thing and thinking it was ruining the film from what I read
about him. This is a man who had a theater ceiling painted for ACO's
release in NY.

If Ermey wanted to stir shit up he could've said it right before the
film came out. 7 years later and no one cares except the die-hard fans
of the Great Man. Seems like no one ever asked him the right questions
before.

--Malcolm McDowell never got that kind of attention, and he not only
craved
Kubrick's friendship he deserved it more.

He had the friendship of the Genius Lindsay Anderson, two Great Men
might've been too much for him to handle. He's got nothing to
complain about.

--And let's not forget the heat the "Great Man" got (albeit posthumous)
for disappointing die-hard Cruise and Kidman fans (mostly Cruise fans).
Before EWS opened it was hyped as "the new Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman
movie." After it came out everyone wanted to distance themselves from
it and Kubrick. So much for greatness, which in Hollywood is judged by
the bottom line.

There are Cruise fans? Is there any major star that people will go see
their films no matter what? I think that is long dead. I'll see any
McDowell film of course, but have to hold my nose with some like P3K. I
think EWS is growing on people. I think about it more and more and like
how 2001 wasn't an instant classic, maybe EWS will be soon, it just
took longer to get there.

Can't stand Cruise myself and he seems insane on a good day. I
watched EWS doing my best not to think of Cruise, just Dr. Bill.

Alex
malcolmmcdowell.net
Boaz
2006-10-07 03:54:13 UTC
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Post by Alex Thrawn
Politics in a Kubrick group are so boring, that's why I mentioned it.
Bring on all the scandals you want, they rally the base like nothing
else.
Uh-huh, right. LOL!!! In the words of our illustrious Fearless Leader,
"Bring 'em on!"

<snip>
Post by Alex Thrawn
Post by Alex Thrawn
--Right. Kubrick was calling Trumbll up regarding a TECHNICAL question.
Why would Kubrick call Ermey up in the middle of the night and confess
his innermost weaknesses, fer Chris'sakes? Lee Ermey?
Someone needs to ask him. Maybe he did have a question about the dialog
since Ermey came up with all those gems. Maybe Ermey asked why is it so
important at this hour.
Oh, right, sure. Kubrick wanted Ermey to help with a rewrite of EWS and
make Dr. Bill spew out obscenities like a DI. ("Mrs. Kaminsky, your ass
looks like 150 pounds of chewed bubble gum! I am going to recommend a
diet so you will no longer look like a disgusting fatbody!")
Post by Alex Thrawn
Maybe The Great Man was having trouble with
something to do with the film.
Yes, Kubrick couldn't properly coordinate the orgy, so he wanted Ermey
to come in and get the women prepared. ("You ladies will learn the
proper way to suck dick! There is not one woman among you who will
serve in my beloved Corps until you can suck the chrome off a trailer
hitch! And to make sure you can, you will all assemble outside in the
parking lot and begin to suck the chrome off the hitch located on the
back of my truck. If I do not see my reflection on your tongue from
inside your filthy sewers you will fail basic training! You will be
mustered out, and you will be nothing but grabasstic pieces of
amphibian shit! You will start by giving the trailer hitch a boy's
name!")
Post by Alex Thrawn
I could picture him not having control
of just 1 thing and thinking it was ruining the film from what I read
about him.
So he calls Ermey in the middle of the night to help with something
that involves the upper classes of New York society, maybe about the
food at Ziegler's party. ("You gotta be shittin' me, Marcel! You mean
to tell me that you cannot make one fucking decent hors d'oeuvres? You
are a worthless piece of froggy shit, Marcel! Get out of my face!")
Post by Alex Thrawn
This is a man who had a theater ceiling painted for ACO's
release in NY.
It was the walls on either side of the screen, where the film had the
most chance of reflecting off the glossy paint that was originally
there. Or do you think Kubrick was getting Michaelangelo to repaint the
ceiling?
Post by Alex Thrawn
If Ermey wanted to stir shit up he could've said it right before the
film came out.
Yeah, and he could have provided security for Frederic Raphael's book
tour too.
Post by Alex Thrawn
7 years later and no one cares except the die-hard fans
of the Great Man.
Isn't that Jackie Gleason? Oh, I'm sorry; he was called "The Great
One." My bad. , )
Post by Alex Thrawn
Seems like no one ever asked him the right questions
before.
Who, you mean Ermey? ("I'm asking the fucking questions around
here!...Well, thank you very much! Can I be in charge for a while?")
Post by Alex Thrawn
Post by Alex Thrawn
--Malcolm McDowell never got that kind of attention, and he not only
craved
Kubrick's friendship he deserved it more.
He had the friendship of the Genius Lindsay Anderson, two Great Men
might've been too much for him to handle. He's got nothing to
complain about.
So, since you are the "curator" of the Malcolm McDowell website,
perhaps you can enlighten us as to why McDowell went on a rant for so
many years, publicly dissing Kubrick for not returning his calls or
inviting him over for dinner, only to try to cover his tracks about all
of it years later in Harlan's documentary, as well as public
appearances, including the one I attended at the Aero Theater in Santa
Monica last year.
Post by Alex Thrawn
Post by Alex Thrawn
--And let's not forget the heat the "Great Man" got (albeit posthumous)
for disappointing die-hard Cruise and Kidman fans (mostly Cruise fans).
Before EWS opened it was hyped as "the new Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman
movie." After it came out everyone wanted to distance themselves from
it and Kubrick. So much for greatness, which in Hollywood is judged by
the bottom line.
There are Cruise fans? Is there any major star that people will go see
their films no matter what? I think that is long dead.
What parallel universe do you live in? That's still a selling point for
films, and, regardless of cuts to actors' salaries, it will still be
the driving force to sell a film. Unless the director is a Scorsese,
Spielberg or Tarantino the average moviegoer wouldn't know one director
from another. And even if more people were aware who was calling the
shots from behind the camera they are still going to see it for the
stars.
Post by Alex Thrawn
I'll see any
McDowell film of course, but have to hold my nose with some like P3K. I
think EWS is growing on people.
So does athlete's foot.
Post by Alex Thrawn
I think about it more and more and like
how 2001 wasn't an instant classic, maybe EWS will be soon, it just
took longer to get there.
Actually, "2001" was pretty much an "instant classic." It was a
cultural and artistic hit by the summer of 1968. Were you around then?
If not, you have no way of understanding the impact it had on audiences
back then.
Post by Alex Thrawn
Can't stand Cruise myself and he seems insane on a good day. I
watched EWS doing my best not to think of Cruise, just Dr. Bill.
Speaking of doctor bill, you'll be getting one from me soon, for my
services here.

Boaz
("This is MY rifle! There are many like it, but this one is MINE!")
Alex Thrawn
2006-10-10 04:08:29 UTC
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Boaz wrote:
So, since you are the "curator" of the Malcolm McDowell website,
perhaps you can enlighten us as to why McDowell went on a rant for so
many years, publicly dissing Kubrick for not returning his calls or
inviting him over for dinner, only to try to cover his tracks about all
of it years later in Harlan's documentary

Lindsay Anderson.
When MM made his first film, if.... (1968), Lindsay took him under his
wing, worked with him again and again and they remained friends until
the day Lindsay died. MM thought the Great Man would treat him the same
way. After promoting the film and sticking up for him MM couldn't get
the Great Man's ear and got pissed. His pride kept him from ever
trying to make things right later. After more than 30 years he's
softened. ACO used to be his cross, now it's a jewel in the crown. He
stopped running and embraced the film and forgave the Great Man for
blowing him off.

If interested, check my site, just updated the Patrick Magee page with
help from his family.
Alex
Malcolmmcdowell.net
Mike Jackson
2006-10-10 12:00:21 UTC
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Post by Boaz
So, since you are the "curator" of the Malcolm McDowell website,
perhaps you can enlighten us as to why McDowell went on a rant for so
many years, publicly dissing Kubrick for not returning his calls or
inviting him over for dinner, only to try to cover his tracks about all
of it years later in Harlan's documentary
Lindsay Anderson.
When MM made his first film, if.... (1968), Lindsay took him under his
wing, worked with him again and again and they remained friends until
the day Lindsay died. MM thought the Great Man would treat him the same
way. After promoting the film and sticking up for him MM couldn't get
the Great Man's ear and got pissed. His pride kept him from ever
trying to make things right later. After more than 30 years he's
softened. ACO used to be his cross, now it's a jewel in the crown. He
stopped running and embraced the film and forgave the Great Man for
blowing him off.
Blowing him off???

Have you SEEN the turds that MM chose to act in over the years?

As for that "Great Man" BS I would bet Stanley would roll his eyes to be
referred to like he was some potentate...

Over and over McDowell has demonstrated publicly what an ass he is. It's a
little late for him to want to be lionized when he's played the wet ally cat
for all these years.
Post by Boaz
If interested, check my site, just updated the Patrick Magee page with
help from his family.
Alex
Malcolmmcdowell.net
I'd rather read about how Patrick Macnee got on with Diana Rigg...
--
"Of course it's a friendly call. Listen, if it wasn't friendly ‹ you
probably wouldn't have even got it!"
ichorwhip
2006-10-06 01:08:17 UTC
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Post by Harry Bailey
Good points Boaz (and Ich).
Ermey: He said Cruise and Kidman had their way with
him-exactly the words he used." ...[] ... They
would have their way with him, he would lose control, and his movie
would turn to shit.
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
It was that scientific witchcraft he uses I'll bet! Prolly injected
him with his thetan syringe...

Kubrick never was one to be outwardly overbearing or boorish or
dictatorial as we know, but he was most definitely a man who knew
exactly what he wanted even when he didn't know what it was yet (to be
sort of confusing, but stick with me here...) What I'm saying is that
his "shy and timid" demeanor can be taken as a sort of ruse to get
actors to ACT. Sly and manipulative? Prolly. Diplomatic, patient and
tactful? Of course! He wasn't known for being a dickhead. And sure,
we all have our moments, but for the most part I think in directing
Kubrick was extremely calculating albeit very quiet about it. His
outward style and bearing was one of understatement, but within the
creative wheels were relentlessly turning in complete overdrive. In
this way Kubrick is a reflection of his films. Sometimes we have to
dig deep to get at his subtexts (inner thoughts), but I think that all
intellectually honest people have to agree that they are there. We
continue to notice new things all of the time. That's Kubrick for ya!
Post by Harry Bailey
And, via ex-AMKer David Kirkpatrick,
He ought to become an ex-ex-AMKer, Hello David if you're lurking!
Post by Harry Bailey
this dialogue appeared in Time
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1541259,00.html
TIME: Are there any of your own movies you have come back to?
NICHOLSON: On TV, if some-thing happens by.
DAMON: If Titanic is on, I cannot turn it off. [Much laughter. DiCaprio
nods and smiles wryly.] I say that only half- joking. There are just
those movies--GoodFellas is like that for me. You stop what you're
doing, and you can't turn it off.
DICAPRIO: There's something about Marty's directing where if his films
come on, I watch them every time. It's a rare thing, but you do find
these details that you've never seen before. He's obsessive about
authenticity and minutiae that you may skip the first time, and
then--Oh, my God! Slicing the garlic meant something! They weren't just
slicing garlic!
SCORSESE: Kubrick is really the killer. The other night, there it is
again--The Shining. What could I do? I had to watch the whole goddam
thing.
DICAPRIO: [To Nicholson] I wish you would have worked with Kubrick
again, man.
NICHOLSON: Me too. I'm ashamed to admit it, but the first thought
through my mind when I heard that he died was not, Oooh, Stanley, my
dear friend. It was, F___. Not going to get to do another movie with
him. I wouldn't have suspected that would have been my reaction, but
it's true.
He left out the part where he forced Kubrick to say "pretty please with
a cherry on top" whilst juggling an egg, an avocado and a tampon and
doing the jitterbug in highheels to get that 30th take of Wendy
swinging the bat in his face on the staircase before she clobbers
him.... ;-)

In all seriousness, this is an interview well worth reading in its
entirety.

Here is a classic "Jack" moment: "You got to be able to play anything.
Playing your own grandmother pissing on the ground should be no more
difficult than carrying the groceries up the driveway before you get
shot. That's acting."

"I don't think that's true. I think you have some very definite ideas
about what should be done with Danny... and I'd like to know what they
are."
i
"piop"
blue
2006-10-07 09:06:49 UTC
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""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
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ichorwhip
2006-10-09 00:07:35 UTC
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Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
He's also been known to flatly refuse roles that he feels he's just not
right for. As for Ermey?

"You've got to be shitting me!"
i
"piop"
blue
2006-10-10 10:24:08 UTC
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Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
He's also been known to flatly refuse roles that he feels he's just not
right for. As for Ermey?
"You've got to be shitting me!"
i
"piop"
Yes, but this is pretty much the norm for any actor, filmamking is a
collaborative
process and rewrites go on constantly from all sides. This is why Ermey
hated Fincher so
much, because he didn't allow it. I once saw Peter Cushing's original
Star Wars script
and let me break it here - he wrewrote all the lines! And nobody has
ever called him a control
freak, precisely the opposite.

Tom Cruise on the other hand has locked directors out of the editing
room and enforced
numerous ridiculous rules on set just for his benefit. It's about where
the buck stops. Tom Cruise
believes it's with him. The fact that he locks directors out (Depalma
being the biggest example)
shows how little respect he has for what a director goes through.
Mike Jackson
2006-10-10 14:10:21 UTC
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Post by blue
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
He's also been known to flatly refuse roles that he feels he's just not
right for. As for Ermey?
"You've got to be shitting me!"
i
"piop"
Yes, but this is pretty much the norm for any actor, filmamking is a
collaborative process and rewrites go on constantly from all sides. This is
why Ermey hated Fincher so much, because he didn't allow it.
But the first rule of hating Fincher is we don't talk about WHY we hate
Fincher.
Post by blue
I once saw Peter Cushing's original Star Wars script and let me break it here
- he wrewrote all the lines! And nobody has ever called him a control freak,
precisely the opposite.
Well I'm sure Lucas recognized the foul stench as soon as he was on board.
Post by blue
Tom Cruise on the other hand has locked directors out of the editing room and
enforced numerous ridiculous rules on set just for his benefit. It's about
where the buck stops. Tom Cruise believes it's with him. The fact that he
locks directors out (Depalma being the biggest example) shows how little
respect he has for what a director goes through.
Yeah, but who are YOU to judge Tom Cruise? He knows all about the history of
psychiatry. You don't.
--
"Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined."
-- Samuel Goldwyn
Warchild
2006-10-10 16:31:36 UTC
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Post by Mike Jackson
Post by blue
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
He's also been known to flatly refuse roles that he feels he's just not
right for. As for Ermey?
"You've got to be shitting me!"
i
"piop"
Yes, but this is pretty much the norm for any actor, filmamking is a
collaborative process and rewrites go on constantly from all sides. This is
why Ermey hated Fincher so much, because he didn't allow it.
But the first rule of hating Fincher is we don't talk about WHY we hate
Fincher.
Post by blue
I once saw Peter Cushing's original Star Wars script and let me break it here
- he wrewrote all the lines! And nobody has ever called him a control freak,
precisely the opposite.
Well I'm sure Lucas recognized the foul stench as soon as he was on board.
Post by blue
Tom Cruise on the other hand has locked directors out of the editing room and
enforced numerous ridiculous rules on set just for his benefit. It's about
where the buck stops. Tom Cruise believes it's with him. The fact that he
locks directors out (Depalma being the biggest example) shows how little
respect he has for what a director goes through.
Yeah, but who are YOU to judge Tom Cruise? He knows all about the history of
psychiatry. You don't.
well, we all know the history of Scientology, so fuck Tom Cruise.
Mike Jackson
2006-10-10 17:33:22 UTC
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Post by Warchild
Post by Mike Jackson
Post by blue
Tom Cruise on the other hand has locked directors out of the editing room
and enforced numerous ridiculous rules on set just for his benefit. It's
about where the buck stops. Tom Cruise believes it's with him. The fact that
he locks directors out (Depalma being the biggest example) shows how little
respect he has for what a director goes through.
Yeah, but who are YOU to judge Tom Cruise? He knows all about the history of
psychiatry. You don't.
well, we all know the history of Scientology, so fuck Tom Cruise.
Hey now, NOBODY fucks Tom Cruise - not even Katie Holmes!

Why I bet you're the kind of goddamn Targ who would shove a hydrogen bomb up
a Thetan's ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a
personality test! I'll be watching you!
--
"After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say 'I
want to see the manager.' "
-- William S. Burroughs
Warchild
2006-10-10 18:05:50 UTC
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Post by Mike Jackson
Post by Warchild
Post by Mike Jackson
Post by blue
Tom Cruise on the other hand has locked directors out of the editing room
and enforced numerous ridiculous rules on set just for his benefit. It's
about where the buck stops. Tom Cruise believes it's with him. The fact that
he locks directors out (Depalma being the biggest example) shows how little
respect he has for what a director goes through.
Yeah, but who are YOU to judge Tom Cruise? He knows all about the history of
psychiatry. You don't.
well, we all know the history of Scientology, so fuck Tom Cruise.
Hey now, NOBODY fucks Tom Cruise - not even Katie Holmes!
Why I bet you're the kind of goddamn Targ who would shove a hydrogen bomb up
a Thetan's ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a
personality test! I'll be watching you!
You stay away from me, you are covered with engrams!
Mike Jackson
2006-10-12 12:00:21 UTC
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Post by Warchild
Post by Mike Jackson
Post by Warchild
Post by Mike Jackson
Post by blue
Tom Cruise on the other hand has locked directors out of the editing room
and enforced numerous ridiculous rules on set just for his benefit. It's
about where the buck stops. Tom Cruise believes it's with him. The fact
that he locks directors out (Depalma being the biggest example) shows how
little respect he has for what a director goes through.
Yeah, but who are YOU to judge Tom Cruise? He knows all about the history
of psychiatry. You don't.
well, we all know the history of Scientology, so fuck Tom Cruise.
Hey now, NOBODY fucks Tom Cruise - not even Katie Holmes!
Why I bet you're the kind of goddamn Targ who would shove a hydrogen bomb up
a Thetan's ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a
personality test! I'll be watching you!
You stay away from me, you are covered with engrams!
You have no idea! At least I think so...
--
"Curiosity killed the cat...but for a while I was a suspect."
-- Stephen Wright
Otto Bahn
2006-10-10 22:47:56 UTC
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Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".

--oTTo--
b***@bookpro.com
2006-10-10 22:56:04 UTC
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Post by Otto Bahn
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
No, that was Michael Gambon.

BW
Harry Bailey
2006-10-13 00:37:42 UTC
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Post by b***@bookpro.com
Post by Otto Bahn
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
No, that was Michael Gambon.
No, that was Dennis Potter's The Singing Postman, but Jack was PRETTY
controlling in One Flew Over the Detective's Nest - where
Scatman/Halloran was also given the wrong end of the axe - or when
determinedly asking, despite Rafelson's objections, for an omelette in
Five Easy Cuckoos; Kubrick would have none of that in 2001: A Chinatown
Odyssey, nor Polanski in Eyes Wide Rosemary's ..., though (Arthur) Penn
let him loose on Brando in The Missouri Shining, while (Sean) Penn had
him trounced both in The Crossing Orange and in The Sledge ... so he's
an easy rider all right, except when he played the Joker in Full Metal
Batman ...
Bryce Utting
2006-10-13 03:24:12 UTC
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Post by Harry Bailey
Post by b***@bookpro.com
Post by Otto Bahn
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
No, that was Michael Gambon.
No, that was Dennis Potter's The Singing Postman, but Jack was PRETTY
controlling in One Flew Over the Detective's Nest - where
Scatman/Halloran was also given the wrong end of the axe - or when
determinedly asking, despite Rafelson's objections, for an omelette in
Five Easy Cuckoos; Kubrick would have none of that in 2001: A Chinatown
Odyssey, nor Polanski in Eyes Wide Rosemary's ..., though (Arthur) Penn
let him loose on Brando in The Missouri Shining, while (Sean) Penn had
him trounced both in The Crossing Orange and in The Sledge ... so he's
an easy rider all right, except when he played the Joker in Full Metal
Batman ...
uh, please desist from posting nonsense without checking your facts.
Five Easy Cuckoos was Frederick Raphael, not Rob Rafelson.


butting
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then it's because I am.
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Harry Bailey
2006-10-13 04:48:08 UTC
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Post by Bryce Utting
Post by Harry Bailey
Post by b***@bookpro.com
Post by Otto Bahn
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
No, that was Michael Gambon.
No, that was Dennis Potter's The Singing Postman, but Jack was PRETTY
controlling in One Flew Over the Detective's Nest - where
Scatman/Halloran was also given the wrong end of the axe - or when
determinedly asking, despite Rafelson's objections, for an omelette in
Five Easy Cuckoos; Kubrick would have none of that in 2001: A Chinatown
Odyssey, nor Polanski in Eyes Wide Rosemary's ..., though (Arthur) Penn
let him loose on Brando in The Missouri Shining, while (Sean) Penn had
him trounced both in The Crossing Orange and in The Sledge ... so he's
an easy rider all right, except when he played the Joker in Full Metal
Batman ...
uh, please desist from posting nonsense without checking your facts.
Five Easy Cuckoos was Frederick Raphael, not Rob Rafelson.
butting
Thanks for that Correction, Mr Baffleson. Butt, isn't it true that
Raphael's Five Easy Cuckoos, an updating and "intellectually superior"
revision of Eyes Can't Open, has not yet been published, owing to Milos
Forman's anti-disclosure stipulation that it can only be published
after the film has been released and after his psychiatric assessment
has been sent to Bob?
Bryce Utting
2006-10-13 10:57:12 UTC
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Post by Harry Bailey
Thanks for that Correction, Mr Baffleson. Butt, isn't it true that
Raphael's Five Easy Cuckoos, an updating and "intellectually superior"
revision of Eyes Can't Open, has not yet been published, owing to Milos
Forman's anti-disclosure stipulation that it can only be published
after the film has been released and after his psychiatric assessment
has been sent to Bob?
I'll defer to your experience of pyschiatric assessments, but you
could well be on something.


butting
--
I am very new to programming drivers so if I sound un-knowledgeable
then it's because I am.
-- first4internet's Ceri Coburn on writing Sony's DRM rootkit
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting
Bryce Utting
2006-10-13 11:01:48 UTC
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Post by Bryce Utting
Post by Harry Bailey
Thanks for that Correction, Mr Baffleson. Butt, isn't it true that
Raphael's Five Easy Cuckoos, an updating and "intellectually superior"
revision of Eyes Can't Open, has not yet been published, owing to Milos
Forman's anti-disclosure stipulation that it can only be published
after the film has been released and after his psychiatric assessment
has been sent to Bob?
I'll defer to your experience of pyschiatric assessments, but you
could well be on something.
"on to". I'm almost -certain- I meant to type "on -to- something".


butting
--
I am very new to programming drivers so if I sound un-knowledgeable
then it's because I am.
-- first4internet's Ceri Coburn on writing Sony's DRM rootkit
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting
Harry Bailey
2006-10-13 19:07:51 UTC
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Post by Bryce Utting
Post by Bryce Utting
Post by Harry Bailey
Thanks for that Correction, Mr Baffleson. Butt, isn't it true that
Raphael's Five Easy Cuckoos, an updating and "intellectually superior"
revision of Eyes Can't Open, has not yet been published, owing to Milos
Forman's anti-disclosure stipulation that it can only be published
after the film has been released and after his psychiatric assessment
has been sent to Bob?
I'll defer to your experience of pyschiatric assessments, but you
could well be on something.
"on to". I'm almost -certain- I meant to type "on -to- something".
A morally superior Raphael would censor with classicist erudite
pomposity all such grammatical indiscretions from being uttered at his
all-important dinner party. An over-excited Freud would slip, at said
party, on Raphael's banana-split dessert while explaining the
unconscious anxieties underlying such a linguistic return of the
repressed. Schnitzler would leap forward to happily dance round and
round the grounded Freud, while Kubrick would film the lot and then ask
for seconds, pleading that he is on to something. I'm not sure where
Nicholson fits into all of this, or whether he was even invited.

ichorwhip
2006-10-12 22:05:17 UTC
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Post by Otto Bahn
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
"Sings?" LOL! I didn't see that one either, but it does ring a
bell... ;-)
Otto Bahn
2006-10-12 22:10:08 UTC
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Post by ichorwhip
Post by Otto Bahn
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
"Sings?" LOL! I didn't see that one either, but it does ring a
bell... ;-)
Anyone know if it's worth renting? I do like most of Nicholson's
stuff (with the exception of that cheesy performance in The Shining).

--oTTo--
Mike Jackson
2006-10-13 16:27:48 UTC
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Post by Otto Bahn
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Otto Bahn
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Harry Bailey
""Shy timid little guy." Kinda fits with Malcolm McDowell's
profile of Mr. Kubrick. The funniest thing here may be the idea that
Jack Nicholson and Lee Ermey couldn't intimidate Kubrick but Tom
Cruise could."
Lee Ermey and Jack Nicholson are not control freaks. Tom Cruise is.
This is not correct. Jack for instance is pretty damned controlling
when it comes to what he'll do, and how he'll do it movie-wise. He
pretty much has to have it his way or he walks. Even in his most
recent role for Scorcese he insisted on rewrites for his character.
I did not see the movie, but I heard he did the same thing
in "The Postman Always Sings Twice".
"Sings?" LOL! I didn't see that one either, but it does ring a
bell... ;-)
Anyone know if it's worth renting? I do like most of Nicholson's
stuff (with the exception of that cheesy performance in The Shining).
--oTTo--
Ya, you'll go auf-ly farhen farhen farhen Otta Bahn with that sort of
attitude around here.
--
"Arnold Schwarzenegger: Finally, a public official who can explain the
administration's social policies in the original German."
-- Bill Maher
Philip S.
2006-10-09 03:01:17 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
I'm frankly amazed at all the attention and credence this is getting here.
Ermey is a cartoon character. Granted, he is an often amusing and
entertaining cartoon character. But please, let's not elevate him beyond his
station.

You'd do just as well to analyzing 6-year-old Danny Lloyd's statement that
he expected to earn $2.
Philip S.
2006-10-09 03:05:58 UTC
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Post by Philip S.
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
I'm frankly amazed at all the attention and credence this is getting here.
Ermey is a cartoon character. Granted, he is an often amusing and
entertaining cartoon character. But please, let's not elevate him beyond his
station.
You'd do just as well to analyzing 6-year-old Danny Lloyd's statement that
he expected to earn $2.
Ahem. "To analyze".
ichorwhip
2006-10-09 04:07:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Philip S.
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
I'm frankly amazed at all the attention and credence this is getting here.
Ermey is a cartoon character. Granted, he is an often amusing and
entertaining cartoon character. But please, let's not elevate him beyond his
station.
Anytime Kubrick is mentioned it warrants some attention here I think,
and who's giving Ermey credence that has any credence? I think the
Ermey situation has been pretty well sized-up on AMK if you've read the
responses. What's beginning to bother me is that additional media
outlets are starting to pick up on this profane interview and run with
it like it's gospel. It's starting to get out of control in fact. Not
everyone knows he's a "cartoon character"(must be one of the ones on
Adult Swim).
Post by Philip S.
You'd do just as well to analyze 6-year-old Danny Lloyd's statement that
he expected to earn $2.
Okay then, can you absolutely clear this whole thing up and prove that
Ermey is just lying? Please do so. I've been having a hard time
believing that Kubrick had much contact with him after FMJ anyway.
Ermey says they were "close." Disprove that and Ermey's whole story
falls apart. That would be fine by me.

"This is preposterous. I've never approved of anything like that."
i
"piop"
Philip S.
2006-10-10 01:46:31 UTC
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Post by ichorwhip
Post by Philip S.
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
I'm frankly amazed at all the attention and credence this is getting here.
Ermey is a cartoon character. Granted, he is an often amusing and
entertaining cartoon character. But please, let's not elevate him beyond his
station.
Anytime Kubrick is mentioned it warrants some attention here I think,
and who's giving Ermey credence that has any credence? I think the
Ermey situation has been pretty well sized-up on AMK if you've read the
responses. What's beginning to bother me is that additional media
outlets are starting to pick up on this profane interview and run with
it like it's gospel. It's starting to get out of control in fact. Not
everyone knows he's a "cartoon character"(must be one of the ones on
Adult Swim).
Post by Philip S.
You'd do just as well to analyze 6-year-old Danny Lloyd's statement that
he expected to earn $2.
Okay then, can you absolutely clear this whole thing up and prove that
Ermey is just lying? Please do so. I've been having a hard time
believing that Kubrick had much contact with him after FMJ anyway.
Ermey says they were "close." Disprove that and Ermey's whole story
falls apart. That would be fine by me.
Of course I can neither prove nor disprove any such thing. Who's to say?
Perhaps Ermey amused him. Perhaps that's why Kubrick maintained longterm
contact with anyone--they had something to offer him intellectually, be it
knowledge or simple amusement.

But much of Ermey's interview simply smells like bullshit. Unless, of
course, Kubrick was bullshitting *him*, which seems to me is entirely
possible. Recall many of the conversations recounted in Frederic Raphael's
book. Raphael didn't realize it either.
ichorwhip
2006-10-11 22:17:45 UTC
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Post by Philip S.
Post by ichorwhip
Post by Philip S.
Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
I'm frankly amazed at all the attention and credence this is getting here.
Ermey is a cartoon character. Granted, he is an often amusing and
entertaining cartoon character. But please, let's not elevate him beyond his
station.
Anytime Kubrick is mentioned it warrants some attention here I think,
and who's giving Ermey credence that has any credence? I think the
Ermey situation has been pretty well sized-up on AMK if you've read the
responses. What's beginning to bother me is that additional media
outlets are starting to pick up on this profane interview and run with
it like it's gospel. It's starting to get out of control in fact. Not
everyone knows he's a "cartoon character"(must be one of the ones on
Adult Swim).
Post by Philip S.
You'd do just as well to analyze 6-year-old Danny Lloyd's statement that
he expected to earn $2.
Okay then, can you absolutely clear this whole thing up and prove that
Ermey is just lying? Please do so. I've been having a hard time
believing that Kubrick had much contact with him after FMJ anyway.
Ermey says they were "close." Disprove that and Ermey's whole story
falls apart. That would be fine by me.
Of course I can neither prove nor disprove any such thing. Who's to say?
Rats! I was hoping you'd know! ;-)
Post by Philip S.
Perhaps Ermey amused him. Perhaps that's why Kubrick maintained longterm
contact with anyone--they had something to offer him intellectually, be it
knowledge or simple amusement.
Right, can't argue with that.
Post by Philip S.
But much of Ermey's interview simply smells like bullshit. Unless, of
course, Kubrick was bullshitting *him*, which seems to me is entirely
possible.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Kubrick was not without a wicked
sense of humor as we well know.
Post by Philip S.
Recall many of the conversations recounted in Frederic Raphael's
book. Raphael didn't realize it either.
Right, but Razzin' Raphy was a writer and clearly a hired hand, not an
actor. Anyway, I'm not in major disagreement with you. I just felt
that this Ermey bombshell was worthy of discussion here. I wish I knew
what the truth is, but I don't, alas!

"So you did that on purpose! You want to be different!"
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"piop"
Mike Jackson
2006-10-10 12:00:21 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
"Mr. Kubrick, R. Lee Ermey's on the phone for you again. Be careful Mr.
Kubrick. I think he's drunk."
--
"The impossible often has a kind of integrity which the merely improbable
lacks."
-- Douglas Adams
Harry Bailey
2006-10-12 01:04:55 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
"Mr. Kubrick, R. Lee Ermey's on the phone for you again. Be careful Mr.
Kubrick. I think he's drunk."
Perhaps, like Jack Torrance (and G W Bush) he's a Dry Drunk (oh,
there's another SYNDROME!). Listen Uuop!

Ermey: "The problem is, the Communist News Network and all of the
media-which is run by totally off-the-wall, clear-off-the-deep-end
liberals-are on the wrong side. They're with the bad guys."

Yup, neo-con supporting CNN is with the bad guys, is on the wrong side
...

Ermey: "Remember the '50s, when we put the kibosh on the communist
party in America? I think all they did was change their name to
liberals. Shame on those people. "

Ermey says a prayer to Senator Joe McCarthy every night - and just
before he tees off every Saturday with the Joint Chiefs of Staff at
Camp Pendleton's NCO Club. You can give your souls to McCarthyism - but
your ass belongs on the golf-links!

Ermey: "I go to Bethesda/Walter Reed Hospital a couple of times each
year, and those kids are laying there with their legs shot off and
can't wait to get a prosthetic so they can get back to their unit and
keep fighting the war."

Mein Fuhrer!!! I CAN WALK!!

Ermey: "But one thing we didn't show in Full Metal Jacket is what
happens after the platoon graduates: The DI relaxes and has a nice chat
with them before he sends them off."

Hartman the "chatty" corpse, sending them off from the blood-splattered
HEAD. Didn't your mommy and daddy give you enough attention when you
were a child?

Ermey: "I love tanks and things that make loud explosions."

Take thee to Baghdad IMMEDIATELY, Joker. Black Ops' death squads will
need all their men ...
i***@hotmail.com
2006-10-13 13:42:05 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
Check this one out.
http://www.radaronline.com/features/2006/10/tough_love.php
Best,
Steve
"Mr. Kubrick, R. Lee Ermey's on the phone for you again. Be careful Mr.
Kubrick. I think he's drunk."
--
"The impossible often has a kind of integrity which the merely improbable
lacks."
-- Douglas Adams
*****
I dunno. I'm not upset if Kubrick really did feel that way about EWS
that day he spoke with Ermey. I can't imagine someone who really cares
about their work, like Kubrick did, being happy with EWS and his
coworkers every single day of the years long project. I don't think
that what Ermey recounts can be extrapolated into Kubrick releasing a
movie that he thought was shit.
I recall a quote out there from Kidman stating that Kubrick told her he
hated Barry Lyndon, that he thought it was long and boring. Who knows
about that one either. I do think a good artist will often be his/her
harshest critic, and these snapshot opinions by the artist about their
own work, spoken off the record, and *if* they really did occur, don't
mean much about their art. They mean more about the insecurities that
drive the artist.
I still like EWS alot, same is true for Barry Lyndon, and I bet Kubrick
did too.

Best,
Steve
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