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More Monoliths, Please: Against Self-Organization
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Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-27 21:22:05 UTC
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Life on earth is doomed, according to the biologist Peter Ward in his new
book The Medea Hypothesis. This book is meant to be polemical and
provocative; I lack the knowledge to evaluate its particular scientific
claims. But just as a thought experiment, it is bracing.

Ward's book is a critique of the quite popular Gaia Hypothesis, originally
developed by James Lovelock, which claims that the Earth as a whole, with
all its biomass, constitutes an emergent order, a self-organizing system,
that maintains the whole planet - its climate, the chemical constitution of
the atmosphere and the seas, etc. - in a state that is favorable to the
continued flourishing of life. Essentially the Gaia Hypothesis sees the
world as a system in homeostatic equilibrium - in much the same ways that
individual cells or organisms are self-maintaining, homeostatic systems.
Gaia is cybernetically, or autopoietically, self-regulating system:
continual feedback, among organisms and their environments, keeps the air
temperature, the salinity of the sea, the amount of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere, etc., within the limits that are necessary for the continued
flourishing of life.

Ward's Medea Hypothesis directly contests all these claims. According to
Ward, the ecosphere is not homeostatic or self-regulating; to the contrary,
it is continually being driven by positive feedback mechanisms to
unsustainable extremes. Most of the mass extinction events in the fossil
record, Ward says, were caused by out-of-control life processes - rather
than by an external interruption of such processes, such as the giant meteor
hit which supposedly led to the extinction of the dinosaurs at the end of
the Mesozoic. The great Permian extinction, for instance - the most
catastrophic of which we have knowledge, in which 90% of all species, and
99% of all living beings, were destroyed - was caused by "blooms of sulfur
bacteria in the seas," which flourished due to greenhouse heating and
poisoned the oceans and the atmospheres with increased concentrations of
hydrogen sulfide, which is extremely toxic.

More generally, Ward claims that life processes have destabilizing effects,
rather than homeostatic ones, upon the very environment that they rely upon
for survival. This is largely because of the Malthusian basis of natural
selection. Traits that give any organism a selective advantage over its
rivals will spread through the gene pool, unless and until they overwhelm
the environment and reach the limits of its carrying capacity. An organism
that is too successful will ultimately suffer a crash from overpopulation,
depletion of resources, and so on. The success of sulfur bacteria means the
poisoning of all other organisms; or, to give another example, the rise of
photosynthetic organisms 2 billion years ago poisoned and killed the
then-dominant anaerobic microbes that had composed the overwhelming majority
of life-forms up to that time.

Now, biologists in recent years have given careful attention to the
evolution of cooperation and altruism as means of averting these dangers.
For instance, in an environment of cooperating organisms, a cheater will
outperform the cooperators, and through natural selection will eventually
drive them into extinction, thus leading to an environment of cheaters who
no longer have access to the benefits for all of cooperation. But this
prospect can be averted, and altruism can be maintained within a group, if
the cooperators evolve mechanisms to detect, and punish or otherwise
discipline, the cheaters. Scenarios like this have led to something of a
revival of the once-discredited notion of "group selection" (a group all of
whose members benefit from cooperation will be able to outperform a group
dominated by cheaters).

Be that as it may, Ward does not see any evidence that cooperation or
altruism can evolve on a meta-, or planetary, level. He argues,
counter-intuitively but with impressive statistical analyses, that in fact
the total biomass, as well as the diversity of species, has been in decline
ever since the Cambrian explosion. And he suggests that life on Earth is
doomed to extinction long before the heating and expansion of the sun make
the Earth too hot to live on. The depletion of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere, leading to the extinction of all plant life, the decline of
atmospheric oxygen, the consequent extinction of all animal life, and
finally the evaporation and loss to outer space of the oceans, could happen
as little as 100 million to 500 million years from now - a span far less
than the 1.5 billion or 2 billion years we have before the sun roasts the
planet to a cinder. The Earth will end up much like either Venus or Mars -
both of which initially had conditions that were favorable to the origin and
sustenance of life, but no longer do (in this regard, it would be quite
interesting if we were to discover, as has often been hypothesized, that
Mars once did have life but no longer does).

Now, even 100 million years from now seems too far off in the future for us
to worry about today. And, as Ward points out, our current problems - for
the next century or so - have to do with too much carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere, even if ultimately the Earth will die from too little.
Nonetheless (and regardless of whether or not the book's arguments stand up
in their scientific details, which is something, as I already said, that I
am unable to judge), Ward's replacement of Gaia (the good mother Earth) with
Medea (the ultimate bad mother, who murdered her own children) makes an
important point. In critiquing the Gaia Hypothesis, it is really questioning
our contemporary faith in self-organizing processes and systems.

I use "faith" here in as strong a sense as possible. The widespread
contemporary belief in "self-organization" is almost religious in its
intensity. We tend not to believe any more in the Enlightenment myth (as it
seems to us now) of rationality and progress. We are skeptical of any sort
of "progress" aside from technological innovation and improvement; and we no
longer believe in the power of Reason to dispel superstition and to make
plans for human betterment. The dominant ideology in these (still, despite
the economic crisis) neoliberal times denounces any sort of rational
planning as "utopian" and thereby "totalitarian," an effort to impose the
will on matter that absolutely resists it. This also entails a rejection of
"grand narratives" (as Lyotard said in the 1980s), and an overall sense that
"unintended consequences" make all willful and determinate action futile.

Instead, we turn to "self-organization" as something that will save us. The
anarchist left puts its faith in self-organizing movements of dissidence and
protest, with the (non-)goal being a spontaneously self-organized
cooperative society. Right wing libertarians, meanwhile, see the "free
market" as the realm of emergent, spontaneous, self-organized solutions to
all problems, and blame disasters like the Great Depression of the 1930s,
and the current Depression as well, on government "interference" with the
(allegedly otherwise self-equilibrating) market mechanism. Network theory, a
hot new discipline where mathematics intersects with sociology, looks at the
Internet and other complex networks as powerfully self-organizing systems,
both generating and managing complexity out of a few simple rules. The brain
is described, in connectionist accounts, as a self-organizing system
emerging from chaos; today we try to build self-learning and self-organizing
robots and artificial intelligences, instead of ones that are determined in
advance by fixed rules. "Genetic algorithms" are used to make better
software; Brian Eno devises algorithms for self-generating music. Maturana
and Varela's autopoiesis is taken by humanists and ecologists as the clear
alternative to deterministic and mechanistic biology; but even the harcore
neodarwinists discover emergent properties in the interactions of multiple
genes. Niklas Luhmann, in his turn, applies autopoiesis to human societies.
This list could go on indefinitely.

Now, it is certainly true that many phenomena can be better understood in
terms of networked complexity, than in those of linear cause and effect. It
is rare for an occurrence to be so isolated that linear models are really
sufficient to explain it. And it is also certainly true that unexpected
consequences, due to factors that we did not take into account (and in some
cases, as in chaos theory, that were too small or insignificant to measure
in advance, but that turned out to have incommensurably larger effects),
interfere with our ability to make clear predictions and to impose our will.
The best laid plans, etc. But still -

I think that we need to question our reflexive belief - or unwarranted
expectation, if you prefer - that emergent or self-organizing phenomena are
some how always (or, at least, generally) for the best. And this is where
Ward's Medea Hypothesis, even if taken only as a thought experiment, is
useful and provocative. Lovelock is almost apocalyptic in his worries about
environmental disruption; his recent books The Revenge of Gaia and The
Vanishing Face of Gaia warn us that human activity is catastrophically
interfering with the self-regulating and self-correcting mechanisms that
have otherwise maintained life on this planet. For Lovelock, human beings
seem entirely separate from, and opposed to, "nature," or Gaia. From Ward's
perspective, to the contrary, human beings are themselves a part of nature.
Human-created climate change and ecological destruction are not unique;
other organisms have caused similar catastrophes throughout the history of
life on earth. All actions have "unintended" consequences; these
consequences may well be destructive to others, and even to the actors
themselves. Presumably bacteria do not plan and foresee the possible
consequences of their actions, and discursively reason about them, in the
ways that we do; but this does not mean that ecological catastrophes caused
by bacteria should be put in a fundamentally different category than
ecological catastrophes caused by human beings. [I am enough of a
Whiteheadian that I am inclined to think that bacterial actions have a
"mental pole" as well as a "physical pole" just as human actions do, albeit
to a far feebler extent; there is definite scientific evidence for bacterial
cognition.] Rather than separating destructive human actions from "nature",
Ward suggests that "nature" itself (or the organisms that compose it)
frequently issues forth in such destructive actions. The mistake is to
assume that the networks from which actions emerge, and through which they
resonate, are themselves somehow homeostatic or self-preserving. Rather,
destructive as well as constructive actions can be propagated through a
network - including actions destructive of the network itself.

Of course, on some level we are already aware of this destructive
potential - as is witnessed in discussions of the propagation of both
biological and computer viruses, for instance. Yet somehow, we tend to cling
to the idea that positive self-organization somehow has precedence. And this
idea tends to arise especially in discussions that cross over from biology
to economics. Both Darwinian natural selection and economic competition tend
to be celebrated as optimizing processes. Stuart Kauffman, for instance, the
great champion of "order for free," or emergent, self-organizing complexity
in the life sciences, has no compunctions about claiming that his results
apply for the capitalist "econosphere" as well as for the biosphere (See his
Reinventing the Sacred, chapter 11). The highly esteemed futurist Kevin
Kelly, a frequent contributor to Wired magazine, has long celebrated
network-mediated capitalism, analogized to biological complexity, as a
miracle of emergent self-organization; just recently, however, he has
praised Web 2.0-mediated "socialism" in the same exact terms.

But the most significant and influential thinker of self-organisation in the
past century was undoubtedly Friedrich Hayek, the intellectual progenitor of
neoliberalism. For Hayek, any attempt at social or economic planning was
doomed to failure, due to the inherent limitations of human knowledge, and
the consequent prevalence of unintended consequences. In contrast, and
inspired by both cybernetics and biology, Hayek claimed that the "free
market" was an ideal mechanism for coordinating all the disparate bits of
knowledge that existed dispersed throughout society, and negotiating it
towards an optimal outcome. Self-organization, operating impersonally and
beyond the ken of any particular human agent, could accomplish what no
degree of planning or willful human rationality ever could. For Hayek, even
the slightest degree of social solidarity or collective planning was already
setting us on "the road to serfdom." And if individuals suffer as a result
of the unavoidable inequities of the self-organizing marketplace, well that
is just too bad - it is the price we have to pay for freedom and progress.

Hayek provided the rationale for the massive deregulation, and empowerment
of the financial sector, of the last thirty years - and for which we are
currently paying the price. But I have yet to see any account that fully
comes to terms with the degree that Hayek's polemical argument about the
superiority and greater rationality of emergent self-organization, as
opposed to conscious will and planning have become the very substance of
what we today, in Europe and North America at least, accept as "common
sense." Were the anti-WTO protestors in Seattle a decade ago, for instance,
aware that their grounding assumptions were as deeply Hayekian as those of
any broker for Goldman Sachs?

I don't have much in the way of positive ideas about how to think
differently. I just want to suggest that it is high time to question our
basic, almost automatic, assumptions about the virtues of self-organization.
This doesn't mean returning to an old-fashioned rationalism or voluntarism,
and it doesn't mean ignoring the fact that our actions always tend to
propagate through complex networks, and therefore to have massive unintended
consequences. But we need to give up the moralistic conviction that somehow
self-organized outcomes are superior to ones arrived at by other means. We
need to give up our superstitious reverence for results that seem to happen
"by themselves," or to arrive "from below" rather than "from above." (Aren't
there other directions to work and think in, besides "below" and "above"?).

Whitehead says that every event in the universe, from the tiniest
interaction of subatomic particles up to the most complex human action,
involves a certain moment of decision. There are no grounds or guidelines
for this decision; and we cannot characterize decision in "voluntaristic"
terms, because any conscious act of will is a remote consequence of decision
in Whitehead's sense, rather than its cause. Decisions are singular and
unrepeatable; they cannot be generalized into rules. But all this also means
that we cannot say that decision simply "emerges" out of a chaotic
background, or pops out thanks to the movement from one "basin of
attraction" to another. No self-organizing system can obviate the need for
such a decision, or dictate what it will be. And decision always implies
novelty or difference - in this way it is absolutely incompatible with
notions of autopoiesis, homeostasis, or Spinoza's conatus. What we need is
an aesthetics of decision, instead of our current metaphysics of emergence.
Tobasco
2009-05-28 06:54:19 UTC
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"Once there were brook trout in the streams in the mountains. You
could see them standing in the amber current where the white edges of
their fins wimpled softly in the flow. They smelled of moss in your
hand. Polished and muscular and torsional. On their backs were
vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming.
Maps and mazes. Of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made
right again. In the deep glens where they lived all things were older
than man and they hummed of mystery."

Cormac McCarthy
'The Road'

The final paragraph of McCarthy's post-apocalyptic novel is a stand-
alone bolt of color and sense concluding a novel of unrelenting ash,
cold and darkness. No life exists on McCarthy's earth save the
remnants of a human race that is rapidly running out of scavenged food
and has, in great part, degenerated to literally devouring itself for
near term survival. The author doesn't dwell on the causes or the
mechanics of how this death of life occurred some nine years prior to
the settting of the story, being more concerned with metaphor of human
existence and condition but upon finishing the reading of it I
couldn't help but wonder at the plausibility of the extinction of life
on this planet. The Medea hypothesis at least presents a framework
for conceiving the notion of such an event, albeit not specifically
pertinant to McCarthy's scenario.
The story's protagonist 'The Man' is very much concerned with
decision, in fact the act of deciding is his sole impelling force to
continue. He has decided to keep his nine year old son and road
companion alive and unenslaved (I wouldn't say free...), - no matter
the cost, no matter the consequence, no matter the outcome. At every
turn he is offered the choice of self-extinction and at every turn
chooses to remain alive and thus provide his progeny a thrust forward
into some future that remains entirely unimaginable. A continuance.
A passing on of 'the fire'. A life comprised and expanded into a
continual and ceaseless leap of faith.

"There is no God - and we are his prophets" as one of the travellers
on this road intones. Indeed.

Yet I fail to see the rhetorical necessity of conflict between choice-
directed and self-organizing systems. Padraig, I wouldn't presume to
lecture you on economics but this thesis appears little other than a
false dilemma. Choice is an integral dynamic of a self-emergent
system is it not? To treat consciousness as a factor somehow outside
the order(s) of phenomena is to miss the point. If I appear to be
saying that Adam Smith and Marx were both wrong and right. at least in
context of the 21st Century - so be it..
kelpzoidzl
2009-05-28 08:26:16 UTC
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Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?

dc
Tobasco
2009-05-28 16:24:14 UTC
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Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to? Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-28 19:47:19 UTC
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citation?

Stephen Shaviro.
Tobasco
2009-05-29 16:18:54 UTC
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On May 28, 2:47 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
 citation?
Stephen Shaviro.
Gee --- thanks.
kelpzoidzl
2009-05-29 15:49:17 UTC
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Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to?  Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
It is from a blog. Padraig often posts from blogs with no citation or
link. This one from someone named Steve Schiviro or some such name.

dc
Tobasco
2009-05-29 16:15:30 UTC
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Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to?  Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
It is from a blog.  Padraig often posts from blogs with no citation or
link.  This one from someone named Steve Schiviro or some such name.
dc
ok
So why did you place this response under my post?
This isn't rocket surgery.
kelpzoidzl
2009-05-29 16:34:56 UTC
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Post by Tobasco
Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to?  Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
It is from a blog.  Padraig often posts from blogs with no citation or
link.  This one from someone named Steve Schiviro or some such name.
dc
ok
So why did you place this response under my post?
This isn't rocket surgery.
That is the customary way of answering a question.

dc
kelpzoidzl
2009-05-29 16:39:54 UTC
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Post by kelpzoidzl
Post by Tobasco
Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to?  Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
It is from a blog.  Padraig often posts from blogs with no citation or
link.  This one from someone named Steve Schiviro or some such name.
dc
ok
So why did you place this response under my post?
This isn't rocket surgery.
That is the customary way of answering a question.
dc
I see. you were confused that I posted about no citation from the
blog under your post. But would that make any sense that YOU hadn't
offered any citation? It should have been fairly obvious who I was
referring to. No rocket surgery at all.


dc
Tobasco
2009-05-29 23:15:45 UTC
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Post by kelpzoidzl
Post by Tobasco
Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to?  Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
It is from a blog.  Padraig often posts from blogs with no citation or
link.  This one from someone named Steve Schiviro or some such name.
dc
ok
So why did you place this response under my post?
This isn't rocket surgery.
That is the customary way of answering a question.
dc
no - it is not the 'customary way' of responding (or in your case
reacting) to a question. The 'customary way' to respond to a question
is to address the initiator of said question. Otherwise you're just
laying a trap door that the unwary reader must unnecessarily avoid.
Maybe Itchy could help us out here and find a way to tag your posts
with a with a 'BEWARE OF MORON' sign. Either that or a clown
suit...
I see.  you were confused that I posted about no citation from the
blog under your post. But would that make any sense that YOU  hadn't
offered any citation?  It should have been fairly obvious who I was
referring to.  No rocket surgery at all.
dc
Yes well, you are confusing. e.g. To log onto this (sadly
dysfunctional) BB and find entire threads consisting of multiple posts
fully treed and branched consisting of nothing but your own
conversation with yourself is rather bizarre. One would think that
you'd at least use a few different nics in service of spicing things
up a bit. But maybe you're just an unappreciated genius.
kelpzoidzl
2009-05-31 07:18:20 UTC
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Post by Tobasco
Post by kelpzoidzl
Post by Tobasco
Post by kelpzoidzl
Why not give attribution to a writing you post from a blog?
dc
Who are you talking to?  Are you claiming that Gnome is posting
without citation?
It is from a blog.  Padraig often posts from blogs with no citation or
link.  This one from someone named Steve Schiviro or some such name.
dc
ok
So why did you place this response under my post?
This isn't rocket surgery.
That is the customary way of answering a question.
dc
no - it is not the 'customary way' of responding (or in your case
reacting) to a question.  The 'customary way' to respond to a question
is to address the initiator of said question.  Otherwise you're just
laying a trap door that the unwary reader must unnecessarily avoid.
Maybe Itchy could help us out here and find a way to tag your posts
with a  with a 'BEWARE OF MORON'  sign.  Either that or a clown
suit...
I see.  you were confused that I posted about no citation from the
blog under your post. But would that make any sense that YOU  hadn't
offered any citation?  It should have been fairly obvious who I was
referring to.  No rocket surgery at all.
dc
Yes well, you are confusing.  e.g.  To log onto this (sadly
dysfunctional) BB and find entire threads consisting of multiple posts
fully treed and branched consisting of nothing but your own
conversation with yourself is rather bizarre.  One would think that
you'd at least use a few different nics in service of spicing things
up a bit.  But maybe you're just an unappreciated genius.- Hide quoted text -
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Srsly if that is all so confusing maybe you need to take some time off
from all that "branching."

Head split in seven pieces?


dc
Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-28 20:15:32 UTC
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Yet I fail to see the rhetorical necessity of conflict between choice-
directed and self-organizing systems.
It isn't rhetorical at all, but metaphysically fundamental, the difference
between actual agency (the political subject) and blindly following an
arbitrary set of instructions (code, genes, dogma, ideology, etc).
Capitalism, for instance, as a blind ideology (it's very practice is what
enables people to fantasize that they are 'outside' of it, 'immune' to it's
destructiveness; this is what makes capitalism and 'the market' a theology,
having the same underlying structure as any theism), is properly seen as a
virus (a massive artificial intelligence system), whose only (alien)
'function' is to replicate itself, by any means; it doesn't even necessarily
need humans, or only to the extent that they facilitate capital's
reproduction (via labour power and capital's agents). That is why it is
relentlessly destructive, suicidally so for this planet, and will continue
to be so as long as humans blindly act as it's willing 'agents' (zombies).
The problem with any 'self-organizing' system is that it doesn't have any
'self' to begin with (assuming it does have a self is to retreat into a
consoling transcendental illusion, into supernatural theism, of some
other-worldly being/self/God who is orchestrating the organizing): but like
an ant colony, it is blind and without purpose, as with all evolution.
Decision, via existential human/post-human agency, can resist this (a
'purposiveness without purpose', as Kant delineated).
Don Stockbauer
2009-05-29 10:17:48 UTC
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On May 28, 3:15 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
Post by Tobasco
Yet I fail to see the rhetorical necessity of conflict between choice-
directed and self-organizing systems.
It isn't rhetorical at all, but metaphysically fundamental, the difference
between actual agency (the political subject) and blindly following an
arbitrary set of instructions (code, genes, dogma, ideology, etc).
Capitalism, for instance, as a blind ideology (it's very practice is what
enables people to fantasize that they are 'outside' of it, 'immune' to it's
destructiveness; this is what makes capitalism and 'the market' a theology,
having the same underlying structure as any theism), is properly seen as a
virus (a massive artificial intelligence system), whose only (alien)
'function' is to replicate itself, by any means; it doesn't even necessarily
need humans, or only to the extent that they facilitate capital's
reproduction (via labour power and capital's agents). That is why it is
relentlessly destructive, suicidally so for this planet, and will continue
to be so as long as humans blindly act as it's willing 'agents' (zombies).
The problem with any 'self-organizing' system is that it doesn't have any
'self' to begin with
You are a self-organized system.
Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-30 00:04:07 UTC
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"You are a self-organized system."

I am a filing cabinet; you are a filofax.
Don Stockbauer
2009-05-30 03:46:35 UTC
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On May 29, 7:04 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"You are a self-organized system."
I am a filing cabinet; you are a filofax.
You didn't have to tell me that you're a filing cabinet. The Turing
Test gives you away.
kelpzoidzl
2009-05-29 16:31:19 UTC
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On May 28, 1:15 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
Post by Tobasco
Yet I fail to see the rhetorical necessity of conflict between choice-
directed and self-organizing systems.
It isn't rhetorical at all, but metaphysically fundamental, the difference
between actual agency (the political subject) and blindly following an
arbitrary set of instructions (code, genes, dogma, ideology, etc).
Capitalism, for instance, as a blind ideology (it's very practice is what
enables people to fantasize that they are 'outside' of it, 'immune' to it's
destructiveness; this is what makes capitalism and 'the market' a theology,
having the same underlying structure as any theism), is properly seen as a
virus (a massive artificial intelligence system), whose only (alien)
'function' is to replicate itself, by any means; it doesn't even necessarily
need humans, or only to the extent that they facilitate capital's
reproduction (via labour power and capital's agents). That is why it is
relentlessly destructive, suicidally so for this planet, and will continue
to be so as long as humans blindly act as it's willing 'agents' (zombies).
The problem with any 'self-organizing' system is that it doesn't have any
'self' to begin with (assuming it does have a self is to retreat into a
consoling transcendental illusion, into supernatural theism, of some
other-worldly being/self/God who is orchestrating the organizing): but like
an ant colony, it is blind and without purpose, as with all evolution.
Decision, via existential human/post-human agency, can resist this (a
'purposiveness without purpose', as Kant delineated).
No you have it all mixed up, it's the commie swine code all mixed up
and lumped like a weighty turd into your mental ecosystem, from who
knows where, flowing up from the DNA commie storage dump....the
illusion that you come to these conclusions by rational thought a big
delusion.The infantile need to be taken care of at the basic level,
never satisified, you want just a little bit of dignity. Perhaps a
civil post in some Siberian libarary of the arts--chief Librarian of
the post modern post mortem. Mom was frustrating, Dad, well he was
even worse, I know, she was like stuffing her wittle breast into
your mouth and it tasted funny, then it was gone. And daddy well he
didn't get you at all. he was slaving away till he couldn't stand it
no more. Being on the dole as a orph'n eating gruel was unpleasant I
know, but you lose yourself in books that might justify the gnawing
sensation--the commie urge. Watch out for the falling bombs, those
catholics and protestants, at it again----must be big bad imperialist
somebody or others behind the plot. It's the opium of the poeple.
The methedone line for underachievers. You couldn't get up the
nerve to revolt? But that's okay, today we have the Internet and it
let's you be as revolting as you wish. Now go wait in the bread line
like a nice commie, don't worry we won't let the big bad Zionists and
Fascists track you down and eat you. We will put you incharge of
Islamic relations and you can explain to them what Marx thought of
religion and they will read one of your long posts and suddenly
discard their religion and follow you into commie paradise.



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Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-30 00:51:11 UTC
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"kelpzoidzl" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:fb36d81c-2ada-4add-8fc7-***@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 1:15 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
Post by Tobasco
Yet I fail to see the rhetorical necessity of conflict between choice-
directed and self-organizing systems.
It isn't rhetorical at all, but metaphysically fundamental, the difference
between actual agency (the political subject) and blindly following an
arbitrary set of instructions (code, genes, dogma, ideology, etc).
Capitalism, for instance, as a blind ideology (it's very practice is what
enables people to fantasize that they are 'outside' of it, 'immune' to it's
destructiveness; this is what makes capitalism and 'the market' a theology,
having the same underlying structure as any theism), is properly seen as a
virus (a massive artificial intelligence system), whose only (alien)
'function' is to replicate itself, by any means; it doesn't even necessarily
need humans, or only to the extent that they facilitate capital's
reproduction (via labour power and capital's agents). That is why it is
relentlessly destructive, suicidally so for this planet, and will continue
to be so as long as humans blindly act as it's willing 'agents' (zombies).
The problem with any 'self-organizing' system is that it doesn't have any
'self' to begin with (assuming it does have a self is to retreat into a
consoling transcendental illusion, into supernatural theism, of some
other-worldly being/self/God who is orchestrating the organizing): but like
an ant colony, it is blind and without purpose, as with all evolution.
Decision, via existential human/post-human agency, can resist this (a
'purposiveness without purpose', as Kant delineated)
"... it's the commie swine code ..."

Thanks for that insight, General Ripper. The commie swine flu has already
infected your precious bodily and vegetable fluids; soon, you'll be coughing
up pork chops while taking Yogic leaps out of airplanes.

But returning to the Gothic metaphor of capital as vampiric virus ...

What both the neo-liberal capitalist theologians and the 'third way'
neo-socialist 'capitalism with a human rights friendly face' tolerant
multi-culturalists have in common is their inability to perceive capitalism
as an inherently abstract force, a replicant hyper-virus that resists all
attempts at both representation and sanitisation. Indeed, reactions to it
(from both political stripes) are constitutive of it: as capital is
ruthlessly structural, the numerous and diverse retreats from it (from
nationalism to racism, from traditional religion to new-ageism, from
reactionary nostalgia to rural organicism) become its very conditions of
possibility, the very ground (re-territorialisation) on which it perpetuates
itself.

Capitalism persists (much like the Death Drive) and intensifies precisely
because neither capitalists nor ostensible anti-capitalists are capable of
taking it at its purist, at its very word: the radical universalising (or
globalising) tendencies of its rampant de-territorialising, which are
everywhere met with (following Deleuze-Guattari's incisive account of
capitalism) a compensatory re-territorialising, a retreat into nationalism,
racism, ethnicism, cultural obscuranticism and nostalgia, theistic
fetishism, a retreat into a naturalised 'class' (instead of a progressive
universalist proletariat there is a regressively ossified working class),
solipistic narcissism and sociopathic withdrawal, etc, all of which appear
to be simultaneously intensifying as capitalism spreads.

Ironically, then, it is capitalism's radical/progressive elements
(anti-organicist, anti-egotistical, anti-identitarian, anti-patriarchal,
fragmenting of Oedipus) which need to be emphasised (the "accelerating
capitalism" you refer to above), insisted upon - via overidentification
strategies, for instance - to the exclusion of the reactionary tendencies
that facilitate its continuation, in order for it to be obliterated.
Capitalism is unreformable, and all attempts to reform it (eg. via welfare
state simultaneous with fascism in the economically depressed 1930s) only
strengthen it. Equally, the personalisation of its faults - blaming it all
on particular elites and/or individuals (world 'leaders' like Bush, Sarcozy,
Brown; fat capitalist bastards like Gates, Soros, Murdoch, Bono, etc) is
futile: they are bland puppets of viral capital, not its cause or source.
Believing that if we could just get rid of all the greedy and nasty bastards
in power that constitute the ruling elite, then everything would be so much
nicer and fairer and friendly, is not only deluded, it is the predominant
ideological mode of liberal capitalism (and, of course, it ultimately runs
the risk of leading to all kinds of twisted and personalized conspiracy
theories, like for instance those now widely accepted about 9/11, and very
persuasive they undoubtedly are, all too persuasive, as this architect's
polemic demonstrates: http://www.911blogger.com/node/10025). It isn't that
conspiracy theories (and here we're not talking about the deranged
shape-shifting or "Elvis Lives!" fantasizing that Kelps imagines them all to
be, while oblivious to his own racializing conspiracy nonsense) are 'false'
[conspiracies, as everyone knows, exist, as anyone who has ever been
betrayed, misled, compromised, well knows], it is that their sources are
wrongly personalized, are attributed to some invariably secretive,
inaccessible, all-powerful cabal of evil plotters, rather than being seen as
STRUCTURAL, as being systemic, as a feature that is immanent to the entire
system [eg Pakula's The Parallax View brilliantly captures this idea].

I mentioned theistic fetish above as an example of a reaction against
capitalism that has the paradoxical effect of further enabling it: this is
one of the most powerful 'theological' features of capitalism in Western
societies. Two examples:

(1) Money. Everyone knows - appealing to the ideology of 'commonsense' -
that money, currency, is just bits of paper, just digits in cyberspace, of
no intrinsic or essentialist value, etc, really all just a meaningless,
worthless, useless nothingness. Yet none of us actually believe this, we
disavow this knowledge, we act as if it somehow has magical qualities,
consequently giving it the same structural function as a religious fetish.

(2) Inner Self/Ideal Ego/Self Actualisation. The basis of contemporary
new-ageism, the extra-ideological retreat from the ravages of unrestrained
neo-liberal capitalism, the notion that no matter how crazy and insane and
unjust the modern world may be under capitalism, the daily oppressiveness of
work, commute, schedule, politeness, transaction, poverty, war, global
warming and pollution, etc, none of it really matters ultimately, because we
have our own (imaginary now identified with the real) very special, very
unique, very transcendent, very magically other-dimensional, little precious
'selves' into which we can reassuringly retire at the end of a hard
capitalist day. So convalescing and preparing us all over again for the
next, same, day ...
Don Stockbauer
2009-05-28 16:26:11 UTC
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On May 27, 4:22 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
Life on earth is doomed, according to the biologist Peter Ward in his new
book The Medea Hypothesis. This book is meant to be polemical and
provocative; I lack the knowledge to evaluate its particular scientific
claims. But just as a thought experiment, it is bracing.
Ward's book is a critique of the quite popular Gaia Hypothesis, originally
developed by James Lovelock, which claims that the Earth as a whole, with
all its biomass, constitutes an emergent order, a self-organizing system,
that maintains the whole planet - its climate, the chemical constitution of
the atmosphere and the seas, etc. - in a state that is favorable to the
continued flourishing of life. Essentially the Gaia Hypothesis sees the
world as a system in homeostatic equilibrium - in much the same ways that
individual cells or organisms are self-maintaining, homeostatic systems.
continual feedback, among organisms and their environments, keeps the air
temperature, the salinity of the sea, the amount of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere, etc., within the limits that are necessary for the continued
flourishing of life.
Ward's Medea Hypothesis directly contests all these claims. According to
Ward, the ecosphere is not homeostatic or self-regulating; to the contrary,
it is continually being driven by positive feedback mechanisms to
unsustainable extremes. Most of the mass extinction events in the fossil
record, Ward says, were caused by out-of-control life processes - rather
than by an external interruption of such processes, such as the giant meteor
hit which supposedly led to the extinction of the dinosaurs at the end of
the Mesozoic. The great Permian extinction, for instance - the most
catastrophic of which we have knowledge, in which 90% of all species, and
99% of all living beings, were destroyed - was caused by "blooms of sulfur
bacteria in the seas," which flourished due to greenhouse heating and
poisoned the oceans and the atmospheres with increased concentrations of
hydrogen sulfide, which is extremely toxic.
More generally, Ward claims that life processes have destabilizing effects,
rather than homeostatic ones, upon the very environment that they rely upon
for survival. This is largely because of the Malthusian basis of natural
selection. Traits that give any organism a selective advantage over its
rivals will spread through the gene pool, unless and until they overwhelm
the environment and reach the limits of its carrying capacity. An organism
that is too successful will ultimately suffer a crash from overpopulation,
depletion of resources, and so on. The success of sulfur bacteria means the
poisoning of all other organisms; or, to give another example, the rise of
photosynthetic organisms 2 billion years ago poisoned and killed the
then-dominant anaerobic microbes that had composed the overwhelming majority
of life-forms up to that time.
Now, biologists in recent years have given careful attention to the
evolution of cooperation and altruism as means of averting these dangers.
For instance, in an environment of cooperating organisms, a cheater will
outperform the cooperators, and through natural selection will eventually
drive them into extinction, thus leading to an environment of cheaters who
no longer have access to the benefits for all of cooperation. But this
prospect can be averted, and altruism can be maintained within a group, if
the cooperators evolve mechanisms to detect, and punish or otherwise
discipline, the cheaters. Scenarios like this have led to something of a
revival of the once-discredited notion of "group selection" (a group all of
whose members benefit from cooperation will be able to outperform a group
dominated by cheaters).
Be that as it may, Ward does not see any evidence that cooperation or
altruism can evolve on a meta-, or planetary, level. He argues,
counter-intuitively but with impressive statistical analyses, that in fact
the total biomass, as well as the diversity of species, has been in decline
ever since the Cambrian explosion. And he suggests that life on Earth is
doomed to extinction long before the heating and expansion of the sun make
the Earth too hot to live on. The depletion of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere, leading to the extinction of all plant life, the decline of
atmospheric oxygen, the consequent extinction of all animal life, and
finally the evaporation and loss to outer space of the oceans, could happen
as little as 100 million to 500 million years from now - a span far less
than the 1.5 billion or 2 billion years we have before the sun roasts the
planet to a cinder. The Earth will end up much like either Venus or Mars -
both of which initially had conditions that were favorable to the origin and
sustenance of life, but no longer do (in this regard, it would be quite
interesting if we were to discover, as has often been hypothesized, that
Mars once did have life but no longer does).
Now, even 100 million years from now seems too far off in the future for us
to worry about today. And, as Ward points out, our current problems - for
the next century or so - have to do with too much carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere, even if ultimately the Earth will die from too little.
Nonetheless (and regardless of whether or not the book's arguments stand up
in their scientific details, which is something, as I already said, that I
am unable to judge), Ward's replacement of Gaia (the good mother Earth) with
Medea (the ultimate bad mother, who murdered her own children) makes an
important point. In critiquing the Gaia Hypothesis, it is really questioning
our contemporary faith in self-organizing processes and systems.
I use "faith" here in as strong a sense as possible. The widespread
contemporary belief in "self-organization" is almost religious in its
intensity. We tend not to believe any more in the Enlightenment myth (as it
seems to us now) of rationality and progress. We are skeptical of any sort
of "progress" aside from technological innovation and improvement; and we no
longer believe in the power of Reason to dispel superstition and to make
plans for human betterment. The dominant ideology in these (still, despite
the economic crisis) neoliberal times denounces any sort of rational
planning as "utopian" and thereby "totalitarian," an effort to impose the
will on matter that absolutely resists it. This also entails a rejection of
"grand narratives" (as Lyotard said in the 1980s), and an overall sense that
"unintended consequences" make all willful and determinate action futile.
Instead, we turn to "self-organization" as something that will save us. The
anarchist left puts its faith in self-organizing movements of dissidence and
protest, with the (non-)goal being a spontaneously self-organized
cooperative society. Right wing libertarians, meanwhile, see the "free
market" as the realm of emergent, spontaneous, self-organized solutions to
all problems, and blame disasters like the Great Depression of the 1930s,
and the current Depression as well, on government "interference" with the
(allegedly otherwise self-equilibrating) market mechanism. Network theory, a
hot new discipline where mathematics intersects with sociology, looks at the
Internet and other complex networks as powerfully self-organizing systems,
both generating and managing complexity out of a few simple rules. The brain
is described, in connectionist accounts, as a self-organizing system
emerging from chaos; today we try to build self-learning and self-organizing
robots and artificial intelligences, instead of ones that are determined in
advance by fixed rules. "Genetic algorithms" are used to make better
software; Brian Eno devises algorithms for self-generating music. Maturana
and Varela's autopoiesis is taken by humanists and ecologists as the clear
alternative to deterministic and mechanistic biology; but even the harcore
neodarwinists discover emergent properties in the interactions of multiple
genes. Niklas Luhmann, in his turn, applies autopoiesis to human societies.
This list could go on indefinitely.
Now, it is certainly true that many phenomena can be better understood in
terms of networked complexity, than in those of linear cause and effect. It
is rare for an occurrence to be so isolated that linear models are really
sufficient to explain it. And it is also certainly true that unexpected
consequences, due to factors that we did not take into account (and in some
cases, as in chaos theory, that were too small or insignificant to measure
in advance, but that turned out to have incommensurably larger effects),
interfere with our ability to make clear predictions and to impose our will.
The best laid plans, etc. But still -
I think that we need to question our reflexive belief - or unwarranted
expectation, if you prefer - that emergent or self-organizing phenomena are
some how always (or, at least, generally) for the best. And this is where
Ward's Medea Hypothesis, even if taken only as a thought experiment, is
useful and provocative. Lovelock is almost apocalyptic in his worries about
environmental disruption; his recent books The Revenge of Gaia and The
Vanishing Face of Gaia warn us that human activity is catastrophically
interfering with the self-regulating and self-correcting mechanisms that
have otherwise maintained life on this planet. For Lovelock, human beings
seem entirely separate from, and opposed to, "nature," or Gaia. From Ward's
perspective, to the contrary, human beings are themselves a part of nature.
Human-created climate change and ecological destruction are not unique;
other organisms have caused similar catastrophes throughout the history of
life on earth. All actions have "unintended" consequences; these
consequences may well be destructive to others, and even to the actors
themselves. Presumably bacteria do not plan and foresee the possible
consequences of their actions, and discursively reason about them, in the
ways that we do; but this does not mean that ecological catastrophes caused
by bacteria should be put in a fundamentally different category than
ecological catastrophes caused by human beings. [I am enough of a
Whiteheadian that I am inclined to think that bacterial actions have a
"mental pole" as well as a "physical pole" just as human actions do, albeit
to a far feebler extent; there is definite scientific evidence for bacterial
cognition.] Rather than separating destructive human actions from "nature",
Ward suggests that "nature" itself (or the organisms that compose it)
frequently issues forth in such destructive actions. The mistake is to
assume that the networks from which actions emerge, and through which they
resonate, are themselves somehow homeostatic or self-preserving. Rather,
destructive as well as constructive actions can be propagated through a
network - including actions destructive of the network itself.
Of course, on some level we are already aware of this destructive
potential - as is witnessed in discussions of the propagation of both
biological and computer viruses, for instance. Yet somehow, we tend to cling
to the idea that positive self-organization somehow has precedence. And this
idea tends to arise especially in discussions that cross over from biology
to economics. Both Darwinian natural selection and economic competition tend
to be celebrated as optimizing processes. Stuart Kauffman, for instance, the
great champion of "order for free," or emergent, self-organizing complexity
in the life sciences, has no compunctions about claiming that his results
apply for the capitalist "econosphere" as well as for the biosphere (See his
Reinventing the Sacred, chapter 11). The highly esteemed futurist Kevin
Kelly, a frequent contributor to Wired magazine, has long celebrated
network-mediated capitalism, analogized to biological complexity, as a
miracle of emergent self-organization; just recently, however, he has
praised Web 2.0-mediated "socialism" in the same exact terms.
But the most significant and influential thinker of self-organisation in the
past century was undoubtedly Friedrich Hayek, the intellectual progenitor of
neoliberalism. For Hayek, any attempt at social or economic planning was
doomed to failure, due to the inherent limitations of human knowledge, and
the consequent prevalence of unintended consequences. In contrast, and
inspired by both cybernetics and biology, Hayek claimed that the "free
market" was an ideal mechanism for coordinating all the disparate bits of
knowledge that existed dispersed throughout society, and negotiating it
towards an optimal outcome. Self-organization, operating impersonally and
beyond the ken of any particular human agent, could accomplish what no
degree of planning or willful human rationality ever could. For Hayek, even
the slightest degree of social solidarity or collective planning was already
setting us on "the road to serfdom." And if individuals suffer as a result
of the unavoidable inequities of the self-organizing marketplace, well that
is just too bad - it is the price we have to pay for freedom and progress.
Hayek provided the rationale for the massive deregulation, and empowerment
of the financial sector, of the last thirty years - and for which we are
currently paying the price. But I have yet to see any account that fully
comes to terms with the degree that Hayek's polemical argument about the
superiority and greater rationality of emergent self-organization, as
opposed to conscious will and planning have become the very substance of
what we today, in Europe and North America at least, accept as "common
sense." Were the anti-WTO protestors in Seattle a decade ago, for instance,
aware that their grounding assumptions were as deeply Hayekian as those of
any broker for Goldman Sachs?
I don't have much in the way of positive ideas about how to think
differently. I just want to suggest that it is high time to question our
basic, almost automatic, assumptions about the virtues of self-organization.
This doesn't mean returning to an old-fashioned rationalism or voluntarism,
and it doesn't mean ignoring the fact that our actions always tend to
propagate through complex networks, and therefore to have massive unintended
consequences. But we need to give up the moralistic conviction that somehow
self-organized outcomes are superior to ones arrived at by other means. We
need to give up our superstitious reverence for results that seem to happen
"by themselves," or to arrive "from below" rather than "from above." (Aren't
there other directions to work and think in, besides "below" and "above"?).
Whitehead says that every event in the universe, from the tiniest
interaction of subatomic particles up to the most complex human action,
involves a certain moment of decision. There are no grounds or guidelines
for this decision; and we cannot characterize decision in "voluntaristic"
terms, because any conscious act of will is a remote consequence of decision
in Whitehead's sense, rather than its cause. Decisions are singular and
unrepeatable; they cannot be generalized into rules. But all this also means
that we cannot say that decision simply "emerges" out of a chaotic
background, or pops out thanks to the movement from one "basin of
 attraction" to another. No self-organizing system can obviate the need for
such a decision, or dictate what it will be. And decision always implies
novelty or difference - in this way it is absolutely incompatible with
notions of autopoiesis, homeostasis, or Spinoza's conatus. What we need is
an aesthetics of decision, instead of our current metaphysics of emergence.
Decisions drive emergence.
Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-30 00:02:28 UTC
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"Decisions drive emergence."

The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
Don Stockbauer
2009-05-30 03:48:12 UTC
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On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence.
Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-30 23:13:27 UTC
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"Don Stockbauer" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:01a253b7-7b91-4137-a5ba-***@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."

You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
Don Stockbauer
2009-05-31 06:38:21 UTC
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On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you.
Don Stockbauer
2009-05-31 07:14:56 UTC
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Post by Don Stockbauer
On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you.
Well, that was rather boorish, I will admit.

It's just that you try to impress people with your flowery language,
and wind up saying little. You're not going to dismiss emergence that
easily. It's all around you, it drives evolution, it's making a
global brain of Planet Earth. So in best Usenet fashion continue to
dabate on, forever.
Cosmic Gnome
2009-05-31 16:00:30 UTC
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On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not
self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you.
It is called presenting an argument, reasoning with ideas, engaging in
discussion.
Well, that was rather boorish, I will admit.
It's just that you try to impress people with your flowery language,
and wind up saying little.
And this is the best self-serving rationalization you can muster to justify
your appalling ignorance and know-nothingness, someone who contributes
absolutely nothing to this newsgroup beyond countless posts containing
nothing more than the robo-zombie delirial repetition of some Disneyfied
fantasy, "The Global Brain". Because you can only contribute nothing here
except twisted basket-case gibberish, your only agenda is to contemptibly
and maliciously denigrate those who do make serious contributions ie you're
a useless, lazy, smugonautic Jerk, just the kind of obnoxious parasite that
has destroyed Usenet.
You're not going to dismiss emergence that
easily.
I was dismissing your infantilist advertising slogans, which serve not to
enlighten but to obfuscate in empty mystification.
It's all around you,
What is 'all around you'? Could you try and present an argument rather than
making bland, idiotic assertions that have no basis in anything except your
own obscene, pompous narcissism. Or is this part of a Coca-cola jingle you
learned as a child, but Santa Claus never delivered on?
it drives evolution, it's making a
global brain of Planet Earth.
This has been your at-this-point mentally ill mantra repeated in countless
posts, consisting of nothing else but such vacuous gibberish, since you
began trolling here. In your sad delusional solipsism you imagine that if
you keep repeating it to yourself it will then become 'true'. Imagine the
sheer horror, the abyssal terror, that you'd experience if indeed it did
become 'true' for you, if it did become subjectively 'real'? Then what would
you do, your ultimate desire, your 'dream', that is to say, your worst
unconscious fears and nightmares, now realized? You wouldn't be able to 'do'
anything, because you'd then be (clinically) psychotic.
So in best Usenet fashion continue to
dabate on, forever.
In better Usenet fashion, shut-the-fuck-up forever, or get some proper help.
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 01:27:37 UTC
Permalink
On May 31, 11:00 am, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not
self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you.
It is called presenting an argument, reasoning with ideas, engaging in
discussion.
Well, that was rather boorish, I will admit.
It's just that you try to impress people with your flowery language,
and wind up saying little.
And this is the best self-serving rationalization you can muster to justify
your appalling ignorance and know-nothingness, someone who contributes
absolutely nothing to this newsgroup beyond countless posts containing
nothing more than the robo-zombie delirial repetition of some Disneyfied
fantasy, "The Global Brain". Because you can only contribute nothing here
except twisted basket-case gibberish, your only agenda is to contemptibly
and maliciously denigrate those who do make serious contributions ie you're
a useless, lazy, smugonautic Jerk, just the kind of obnoxious parasite that
has destroyed Usenet.
You're not going to dismiss emergence that
easily.
I was dismissing your infantilist advertising slogans, which serve not to
enlighten but to obfuscate in empty mystification.
It's all around you,
What is 'all around you'? Could you try and present an argument rather than
making bland, idiotic assertions that have no basis in anything except your
own obscene, pompous narcissism. Or is this part of a Coca-cola jingle you
learned as a child, but Santa Claus never delivered on?
it drives evolution, it's making a
global brain of Planet Earth.
This has been your at-this-point mentally ill mantra repeated in countless
posts, consisting of nothing else but such vacuous gibberish, since you
began trolling here. In your sad delusional solipsism you imagine that if
you keep repeating it to yourself it will then become 'true'. Imagine the
sheer horror, the abyssal terror, that you'd experience if indeed it did
become 'true' for you, if it did become subjectively 'real'? Then what would
you do, your ultimate desire, your 'dream', that is to say, your worst
unconscious fears and nightmares, now realized? You wouldn't be able to 'do'
anything, because you'd then be (clinically) psychotic.
 >So in best Usenet fashion continue to
dabate on, forever.
In better Usenet fashion, shut-the-fuck-up forever, or get some proper help.
Well, you sum it up pretty well. Once someone realizes that the Earth
is self-organizing into a huge living creature there are a lot of mind
blowing paradoxes to deal with. I know them all a lot better than you
do; I don't need you to repeat them to me. So run along, "Cosmic
Gnome", whoever you are. Have a nice life.

PS - it's nice to see that someone's reading what I write. I thought
that I was uniformly ignored. : - )

PS 2 - (drum roll) Thanks for further forming the Global Brain via
your wonderful posts.
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 01:30:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Stockbauer
On May 31, 11:00 am, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you.
It is called presenting an argument, reasoning with ideas, engaging in
discussion.
Well, that was rather boorish, I will admit.
It's just that you try to impress people with your flowery language,
and wind up saying little.
And this is the best self-serving rationalization you can muster to justify
your appalling ignorance and know-nothingness, someone who contributes
absolutely nothing to this newsgroup beyond countless posts containing
nothing more than the robo-zombie delirial repetition of some Disneyfied
fantasy, "The Global Brain". Because you can only contribute nothing here
except twisted basket-case gibberish, your only agenda is to contemptibly
and maliciously denigrate those who do make serious contributions ie you're
a useless, lazy, smugonautic Jerk, just the kind of obnoxious parasite that
has destroyed Usenet.
You're not going to dismiss emergence that
easily.
I was dismissing your infantilist advertising slogans, which serve not to
enlighten but to obfuscate in empty mystification.
It's all around you,
What is 'all around you'? Could you try and present an argument rather than
making bland, idiotic assertions that have no basis in anything except your
own obscene, pompous narcissism. Or is this part of a Coca-cola jingle you
learned as a child, but Santa Claus never delivered on?
it drives evolution, it's making a
global brain of Planet Earth.
This has been your at-this-point mentally ill mantra repeated in countless
posts, consisting of nothing else but such vacuous gibberish, since you
began trolling here. In your sad delusional solipsism you imagine that if
you keep repeating it to yourself it will then become 'true'. Imagine the
sheer horror, the abyssal terror, that you'd experience if indeed it did
become 'true' for you, if it did become subjectively 'real'? Then what would
you do, your ultimate desire, your 'dream', that is to say, your worst
unconscious fears and nightmares, now realized? You wouldn't be able to 'do'
anything, because you'd then be (clinically) psychotic.
 >So in best Usenet fashion continue to
dabate on, forever.
In better Usenet fashion, shut-the-fuck-up forever, or get some proper help.
Well, you sum it up pretty well. Once someone realizes that the Earth
is self-organizing into a huge living creature there are a lot of mind
blowing paradoxes to deal with. I know them all a lot better than you
do;  I don't need you to repeat them to me.  So run along, "Cosmic
Gnome", whoever you are.  Have a nice life.
PS - it's nice to see that someone's reading what I write.  I thought
that I was uniformly ignored.  : - )
PS 2 - (drum roll)  Thanks for further forming the Global Brain via
your wonderful posts.
Oh - here's a little exercise for you. Try to disprove that the
Global Brain is forming.
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 01:42:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Stockbauer
On May 31, 11:00 am, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting
car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead
zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you.
It is called presenting an argument, reasoning with ideas, engaging in
discussion.
Well, that was rather boorish, I will admit.
It's just that you try to impress people with your flowery language,
and wind up saying little.
And this is the best self-serving rationalization you can muster to justify
your appalling ignorance and know-nothingness, someone who contributes
absolutely nothing to this newsgroup beyond countless posts containing
nothing more than the robo-zombie delirial repetition of some Disneyfied
fantasy, "The Global Brain". Because you can only contribute nothing here
except twisted basket-case gibberish, your only agenda is to contemptibly
and maliciously denigrate those who do make serious contributions ie you're
a useless, lazy, smugonautic Jerk, just the kind of obnoxious parasite that
has destroyed Usenet.
You're not going to dismiss emergence that
easily.
I was dismissing your infantilist advertising slogans, which serve not to
enlighten but to obfuscate in empty mystification.
It's all around you,
What is 'all around you'? Could you try and present an argument rather than
making bland, idiotic assertions that have no basis in anything except your
own obscene, pompous narcissism. Or is this part of a Coca-cola jingle you
learned as a child, but Santa Claus never delivered on?
it drives evolution, it's making a
global brain of Planet Earth.
This has been your at-this-point mentally ill mantra repeated in countless
posts, consisting of nothing else but such vacuous gibberish, since you
began trolling here. In your sad delusional solipsism you imagine that if
you keep repeating it to yourself it will then become 'true'. Imagine the
sheer horror, the abyssal terror, that you'd experience if indeed it did
become 'true' for you, if it did become subjectively 'real'? Then what would
you do, your ultimate desire, your 'dream', that is to say, your worst
unconscious fears and nightmares, now realized? You wouldn't be able to 'do'
anything, because you'd then be (clinically) psychotic.
 >So in best Usenet fashion continue to
dabate on, forever.
In better Usenet fashion, shut-the-fuck-up forever, or get some proper help.
Well, you sum it up pretty well. Once someone realizes that the Earth
is self-organizing into a huge living creature there are a lot of mind
blowing paradoxes to deal with. I know them all a lot better than you
do;  I don't need you to repeat them to me.  So run along, "Cosmic
Gnome", whoever you are.  Have a nice life.
PS - it's nice to see that someone's reading what I write.  I thought
that I was uniformly ignored.  : - )
PS 2 - (drum roll)  Thanks for further forming the Global Brain via
your wonderful posts.
Oh - here's a little exercise for you.  Try to disprove that the
Global Brain is forming.
You see, each time the global brain meme is copied within the global
brain, it increases self-awareness, and it's self-awareness that makes
a system intelligent, according to Hofstadter. Now - judging by what
you've written so far, CG, that should REALLY get your panties/
(underwear?)) in a Gordian Knot.

- Don
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 02:06:20 UTC
Permalink
Don't get too pissed off at me. No use dying of a heart attack,
whoever you are. If you do, I wouldn't even know who to grieve.
You're just one of the billions of GB neurons out there.

Toodle-loo-sky, Gnome.
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 02:14:28 UTC
Permalink
Thanx for furthering the formation of the Global Brain by your
comments.
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 02:39:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Stockbauer
Thanx for furthering the formation of the Global Brain by your
comments.
so you want some proof, an argument? why not ask a goldfish to prove
that the galaxy exists. all you can do is appeal to cybernetic form.
peer-peer communication forms mind. it happens within human minds .
it should happen when human minds communicate. up another level,
gb's communicating around the galaxy should form the galactic mind.
do galaxies communicate amongst themselves? maybe if there's time.

Have a nice life, sweetie.
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 11:01:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Stockbauer
Thanx for furthering the formation of the Global Brain by your
comments.
so you want some proof, an argument?  why not ask a goldfish to prove
that the galaxy exists.  all you can do is appeal to cybernetic form.
peer-peer communication forms mind.  it happens within human minds .
it should happen  when human minds communicate.  up another level,
gb's communicating around the galaxy should form the galactic mind.
do galaxies communicate amongst themselves?  maybe if there's time.
Have a nice life, sweetie.
5 CONTINUE
PRINT "I'M RIGHT"
PRINT "NO, I'M RIGHT"
IF (1.EQ.2) GO TO 10
GO TO 5
10 CONTINUE
kelpzoidzl
2009-06-01 12:05:16 UTC
Permalink
Just for reference, in case it is not fully grasped, Cosmic gnome is
Padraig, alias Harry Bailey. I surmise he lives in Dublin in a
apartment. (I may be wrong.) He is obsessed with communism, various
styles of Neo-Freudian pro commie, gibberish ala Lacan, Zizek,
Derrida and a few other word salad basket cases who some tiny groups
of pinheads, think are geniuses, that blend commie politics with
contradictory, useless, labrynthine pseudo-psychology and Film
reviewing--an unholy assemblage of arrogant and snobbish, and overall
unfriendly, mental masturbation that just loves to hear itself talk.
The anger is really dissatifaction with his own real-life.

Padraig posted here quite a few years and alternates between good
posts on films with wit and horrid hate filled political, anti-
semitic, anti US spewing.

He left the newsgroup as Padtraig after reaching a peak of mania and
rejection, returned later as Harry who a few months ago left after
reaching another Manic peak and has returned as Cosmic Gnome, who
tried to behave for a while. But as a Bi-polar, agoraphobe who
suffers social anxiety, (he was posting on a social anxiety usenet
group--giving them all guidance for a while)----he has sublimated alot
of his anxieties into study, the kernals of which become unhinged like
unruly popcorn, during critical parts of his cycle. He truly is a
throwback to the old commies.

The poor guy internalizes world news. He carries the world's woes on
his shoulders. He is on a grandiose crusade to save the world--but
has no idea how his intellectualizing is useless and preposterous. he
doesn't realize that the flaw in his logic is that he HIMSELF would
have to be the leader in a fascist, totalitarian state. Anyone or
anything that is not in full agreement with him are fascists. A
absurd loop. He pretends to side with the poor and downtrodden, even
if they are terrorists, but this is all based on fallacies and a
overidding lust for power and acceptance.

He has internalized all the old pre-ww2 political arguments and is
constantly trying to justify some deep imperfections in his own life,
which he blames on others in a kind of projection, scapegoating and
jealousy. I guess his psychological state is due to some terrible
hurts in his life--probably all due to inherent, obsessive
perseverations, but his neurotic tendancies and personality disorders
with local causes, are overshadowed by a mood disorder, with organic
features.

To avoid all this unleasnt self-observation, he daily relives the
political grudges of a bygone era. He is committed to total atheism
and this includes any kind of thinking that suggests anything greater
then his (Marxian) primitive and short sighted hardcore materialism
and cannot concieve of anything fundamental of a more cosmic or
spirtual nature---even if Kubrick himself had such ideas. In his
recent threads and some in the past he trys to diagnose Kubrick,
projecting onto him various defects.

He throws around clinical terms, i.e., "psychotic," etc. like many
manics tend to do. I don't know if he self-medicates with alcohol or
pills. He may be on prescribed meds sometimes. I don't know. he
might be a raging alcoholic, which wouldn't help of course until he
blacks out.

He may go to group therapy with others who have social anxiety---
maybe--unless he is entirely house bound. If so he may use that as a
way to use his knowledge and desire to play doctor. He probably shows
compassion to people in those situations, but may have run-ins with
the real doctors who he probably dispises. he may have given up on
social interractions entirely I don't know.

If he wasn't so obsessed, wacky and utterly hateful regularly, he
could work on his handicaps and learn to use his abundant good points
in a different way---but once he is on a manic roll, nothing phases
it. I would guess he is on public assistance and feels degraded and
unappreciated. He has the ambition of a Commie seeking office before
the purges, but would never fit in anywhere---his need to dictate with
his mania is so overwhelming he would be rejected by the commies as
well. Nothing would be done right in the revolution and this bitter
reality dogs him as if he is a fictional film character he has created
in his mind who become persecuted. All effort then become one seeking
vindication. Even if a big mirror was right in front of his face, he
would avert his eyes and call the mirror a fascist for depicting a
unacceptable reality;


dc
Don Stockbauer
2009-06-01 14:59:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by kelpzoidzl
Just for reference, in case it is not fully grasped, Cosmic gnome is
Padraig, alias Harry Bailey.   I surmise he lives in Dublin in a
apartment.  (I may be wrong.)  He is obsessed with communism, various
styles of Neo-Freudian pro commie,  gibberish ala Lacan, Zizek,
Derrida and a few other word salad basket cases who some tiny groups
of  pinheads,  think are geniuses,  that blend commie politics with
contradictory, useless,  labrynthine pseudo-psychology and Film
reviewing--an unholy assemblage of arrogant and snobbish, and overall
unfriendly, mental masturbation that just loves to hear itself talk.
The anger is really dissatifaction with his own real-life.
Padraig posted here quite a few years and alternates between good
posts on films with wit and horrid hate filled political, anti-
semitic, anti US spewing.
He left the newsgroup as Padtraig after reaching a peak of mania and
rejection, returned later as Harry who a few months ago left after
reaching another  Manic peak and has returned as Cosmic Gnome, who
tried to behave for a while.  But as a Bi-polar, agoraphobe who
suffers social anxiety, (he was posting on a social anxiety usenet
group--giving them all guidance for a while)----he has sublimated alot
of his anxieties into study, the kernals of which become unhinged like
unruly popcorn, during critical parts of his cycle.  He truly is a
throwback to the old commies.
The poor guy internalizes world news.  He carries the world's woes on
his shoulders.  He is on a grandiose crusade to save the world--but
has no idea how his intellectualizing is useless and preposterous. he
doesn't realize that the flaw in his logic is that he HIMSELF would
have to be the leader in a fascist, totalitarian state.   Anyone or
anything that is not in full agreement with him are fascists.   A
absurd loop.  He pretends to side with the poor  and downtrodden, even
if they are terrorists, but this is all based on fallacies and a
overidding lust for power and acceptance.
He has internalized all the old pre-ww2 political arguments and is
constantly trying to justify some deep imperfections in his own life,
which he blames on others in a kind of projection, scapegoating and
jealousy. I guess his psychological state is due to some terrible
hurts in his life--probably all due to inherent, obsessive
perseverations, but his neurotic tendancies and personality disorders
with local causes, are overshadowed by a mood disorder, with organic
features.
To avoid all this unleasnt self-observation, he  daily  relives the
political grudges of a bygone era.  He is committed to total atheism
and this includes any kind of thinking that suggests anything greater
then his (Marxian) primitive and short sighted  hardcore materialism
and cannot concieve of anything fundamental of a more cosmic or
spirtual nature---even if Kubrick himself had such ideas.  In his
recent threads and some in the past he trys to diagnose Kubrick,
projecting onto him various defects.
He throws around clinical terms, i.e., "psychotic," etc.   like many
manics tend to do.  I don't know if he self-medicates with alcohol or
pills.  He may be on prescribed meds sometimes.  I don't know. he
might be a raging alcoholic, which wouldn't help of course until he
blacks out.
He may go to group therapy with others who have social anxiety---
maybe--unless he is entirely house bound.  If so he may use that as a
way to use his knowledge and desire to play doctor.  He probably shows
compassion to people in those situations, but may have run-ins with
the real doctors who he probably dispises.  he may have given up on
social interractions entirely I don't know.
If he wasn't so obsessed, wacky and utterly hateful regularly,  he
could work on his handicaps and learn to use his abundant good points
in a different way---but once he is on a manic roll, nothing phases
it.  I would guess he is on public assistance and feels degraded and
unappreciated.  He has the ambition of a Commie seeking office before
the purges, but would never fit in anywhere---his need to dictate with
his mania is so overwhelming he would be rejected by the commies as
well.  Nothing would be done right in the revolution and this bitter
reality dogs him as if he is a fictional film character he has created
in his mind who become persecuted.  All effort then become one seeking
vindication.  Even if a big mirror was right in front of his face, he
would avert his eyes and call the mirror a fascist for depicting a
unacceptable reality;
Gosh, I didn't know that. So that explains his hate-filled invectives
against our Savior, The Global Brain. I feel bad now that I was so
rough on him. I hope he forgives me. Best wishes to you, Harry.
Global Brain bless you.
Cosmic Gnome
2009-06-01 17:09:05 UTC
Permalink
Hilarious. "Kelpzoidzl" taking the strawman fantasmatic trope to new levels
of unhinged paranoia and delirium, his main preoccupation when not indulging
in his primary activity - watching Buffy videos, visiting fascist websites,
and seeking insecure converts to his megalomaniacal crusade. The crazed,
incoherent mumblings of a frenzied psychotic, inventing anti-christs (his
own inverted desires) to justify his reactionary, bizarre ravings. While
living in a glass bubble (one of those who never had a passport, never reads
a newspaper, never engages with the world, another victim of obscene
narcissism).

<snip>
kelpzoidzl
2009-06-02 22:13:37 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 1, 10:09 am, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
Hilarious. "Kelpzoidzl" taking the strawman fantasmatic trope to new levels
of unhinged paranoia and delirium, his main preoccupation when not indulging
in his primary activity - watching Buffy videos, visiting fascist websites,
and seeking insecure converts to his megalomaniacal crusade. The crazed,
incoherent mumblings of a frenzied psychotic, inventing anti-christs (his
own inverted desires) to justify his reactionary, bizarre ravings. While
living in a glass bubble (one of those who never had a passport, never reads
a newspaper, never engages with the world, another victim of obscene
narcissism).
<snip>
lol.

Go somewhere everyday and shut off your babbling mind for a moment.
You might learn something.

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dc
kelpzoidzl
2009-06-02 22:32:33 UTC
Permalink
Loading Image...

Thou asked my name, Don Quixote.
Now I shall tell it.
I am called the Knight of the Mirrors.
Look, Don Quixote. Look in the mirror of reality...
and behold things as they truly are.
Look, Don Quixote.
Look in the mirror of reality.
Look! What seest thou, Don Quixote?
A gallant knight? Naught but an aging fool.
Look, dost thou see him?
A madman dressed for a masquerade.
A masquerade!
Look, Don Quixote. See him as he truly is.
See the clown.
Look, what seest thou, Don Quixote?
Look! Dost thou see him?
A madman! Look, Don Quixote!
See him as he truly is.
Look, Don Quixote.
Drown, Don Quixote.
Drown in the mirror.
Drown, Don Quixote. Drown in the mirror.
Go deep. Deep. Deep.
Deep. Go deep. Deep.
The masquerade is ended.
Confess! Thy lady is a trollop...
and thy dream, the nightmare of a disordered mind.



dc
kelpzoidzl
2015-04-20 21:07:20 UTC
Permalink
That was mean.

kelpzoidzl
2009-05-31 07:15:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Stockbauer
On May 30, 6:13 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
On May 29, 7:02 pm, "Cosmic Gnome"
Post by Cosmic Gnome
"Decisions drive emergence."
The tagline of a Ford SUV ad?
"No, just saying that decisions as a substrate self-organize,
displaying emergence."
You're hopelessly missing the point here, Don. It was the meaningless
inanity of your three-word assertion, its status as a vacuous slogan, its
aggressively anti-intellectual pomo posturing as irrational drivel, that
legitimized its association with some deranged, seductively ego-boosting car
advertisement. If you are going to make some assertion, at least have the
decency and honesty to back it up with some argument, with some ideas, with
some rational line of reasoning (rather than being a pathetic, undead zombie
of advertising ideological dementia). You half-heartedly respond to my
questioning of such a placeholder-less three-word empty assertion with a
denial of that assertion: no, I wasn't saying what I said, I was saying
something else, something other than what I actually said, and I am now
replacing that original meaningless assertion with another, even more
twisted and meaningless, assertion (to 'clarify' the original assertion,
even thought I asserted it to avoid all possibility of clarification). So
now its not 'self-organizing systems' that are 'self-organizing' but this
new 'entity' called Decisions ... and its this new exotic entity called
'decision' that is presiding over the self-organizing, not self-organizing
systems themselves. You're desperate to (regressively, recursively) find
another 'self' behind a now-denied self ... while all the time desperately
appealing to some imaginary 'authority', to a non-existent Big Other, to
justify your irrational ravings ..
You sure have a lot of fucking words in you
It's his screaming spermatozoa, Each one fighting tooth and tail, for
supremacy, till they all dry up on the napkin.

dc
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